Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[lazyboy97o]

I did. I wanted to be able to grow a nice pair of sideburns like Hans.

But the sideburns are independent of Hans. He is a common reference point we can understand with little deviation. Our means of communication are full of symbols and this must be considered, especially when discussing the known and the unknown. Part of the allure of a Frozen ride is the achievement of the film as entertainment which creates positive associations, but there are no guarantees that an attraction would match these expectations.

 

[luv]

The only Hans I want to see in a park is Hans "I am an exceptional thief" Gruber. ("You ask for miracles, Theo, I give you the F.B.I.") Sorry, the Christmas Movie thing hasn't worn off.

He might fit better at Uni.

Disney can add all the Frozen cartoon stuff it wants. Build a Frozen land and pipe that terrible "Let It Go" song in 24/7. I'm cool with it.

But if they put Frozen in Maelstrom...what a terrible mistake that would be.

 

[MonorailLover]

The only Hans I want to see in a park is Hans "I am an exceptional thief" Gruber. ("You ask for miracles, Theo, I give you the F.B.I.") Sorry, the Christmas Movie thing hasn't worn off.

He might fit better at Uni.

Disney can add all the Frozen cartoon stuff it wants. Build a Frozen land and pipe that terrible "Let It Go" song in 24/7. I'm cool with it.

But if they put Frozen in Maelstrom...what a terrible mistake that would be.

I trust them to do the right thing..... They know what their doing

 

[englanddg]

I trust them to do the right thing..... They know what their doing

And when, exactly, was the last time they have proven they know what they are doing at EPCOT? I mean, they've already destroyed the overarching concept of Futureworld, why not take aim at World Showcase, too? Right?

 

[MonorailLover]

And when, exactly, was the last time they proven they know what they are doing at EPCOT? I mean, they've already destroyed the overarching concept of Futureworld, why not take aim at World Showcase, too? Right?

Everything must eventually change, evolution.... I know change hurts sometimes, but it's just gotta happen.

 

[englanddg]

Everything must eventually change, evolution.... I know change hurts sometimes, but it's just gotta happen.

I have very serious reasons why I don't think they should mess with the ride, in that manner. If anything, they should bring back the Tesla lightning effects (technology has come a long way since the ride was created, I'd find it interesting to see what they could come up with) and the troll area could certainly use some plussing.

However, overlaying it with a mediocre movie...meh. Build a new ride, I'm all for that. But, there is no reason to fiddle with this one outside of making it better.

If their "integration" is as wonderful (and I use that term very loosely) as what they did to Pirates, I will not be pleased.

Change doesn't hurt when change makes things better. Tossing characters into a ride that doesn't need it (it still pulls ridership). Could they do it well? Perhaps. Or they could toss in Olaf randomly throughout the ride and replace the scary trolls (who are suppose to be scary, it's a MAJOR part of the ride) with the Abominable Snowman and some of the smurf...er...trolls from the movie...bad.

Change hurts when it's not needed, or poorly thought out.

For example, slapping the Nemo ride into seas wasn't a terrible idea, but completely eradicating the Seabase Alpha storyline was. I'd be the first to say that Turtle Talk with Crush was an excellent addition (though, the theatre needs a refurb...it's showing it's age). The Nemo ride itself has an amazing queue, but the ride itself is disappointing. They could have put a lot more thought into that modification of the pavilion...but, really, they didn't put much thought into "story" (for all their lip flapping about how that is important) at all. And it shows.

I am aware that my opinion will not sway Disney one way or another (and, at this point, this is just a rumor)...and that doesn't bother me. But, I have a very pessimistic view on what Disney will create, and it's not because of what they could do, it's because what, over the past decade, they have done.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Everything must eventually change, evolution.... I know change hurts sometimes, but it's just gotta happen.

Change is not inherently good. This is not about people not wanting change.

 

[luv]

I trust them to do the right thing..... They know what their doing

Why did you quote me?

 

[englanddg]

Why did you quote me?

Because you are awesome. Admit it. You know you are!

 

[luv]

Because you are awesome. Admit it. You know you are!

Well, that's true enough.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

You know what I was thinking too? And I need a bit of a helping hand from our resident Disney historians with some chronology…

Norway opened like 1988? Is it me, or was, just in general, Maelstrom like the last sort of old-school dark ride created? Sure this differs as being a boat ride too, but... At that point WOM, SSe, Imagination, El Rio, Horizons, etc. were older and so were the dark rides in MK ( SW, Toad, PP, HM, POTC, etc…)

The thought of replacing it possibly, is upsetting to me.

 

[Matt_Black]

It depends on how we're defining "old school dark ride". I assume we're not counting the Pooh ride in MK, as that was originally Mr. Toad's.

 

[asianway]

You know what I was thinking too? And I need a bit of a helping hand from our resident Disney historians with some chronology…

Norway opened like 1988? Is it me, or was, just in general, Maelstrom like the last sort of old-school dark ride created? Sure this differs as being a boat ride too, but... At that point WOM, SSe, Imagination, El Rio, Horizons, etc. were older and so were the dark rides in MK ( SW, Toad, PP, HM, POTC, etc…)

The thought of replacing it possibly, is upsetting to me.

GMR comes close & Sinbads in TDS in in the vein of first gen WDI work

 

[tl77]

The key is giving people what they will enjoy and appreciate, as opposed to what they merely think they want. If you had asked anyone in 1982 what they wanted in a theme park, pretty much nobody would have asked for attractions based on academic topics; They would have asked for things like ferris wheels and roller coasters, just as guests would today.

A Frozen overlay for Maelstrom is the easy answer; Disney's reputation was built on exceeding our expectations, not taking the easy (cheap, lazy, unimaginative) way out. Guests may not always be consciously aware of the level of detail and importance of theme in a properly executed Disney attraction, but that makes it no less important, because those same guests can indeed tell you when the lack of such detail and theme results in a substandard experience.

Disney is a business, aren't they supposed to make money, you can't expect them to make rides to suit your needs.

Example: there's 2 types of artists(it may take a bit for you to unspderstand, just hear me out) I also don't mean to be rude to any artists, it's just my opinion.


Not very smart artist:

This type of artist will not paint a portrait of someone because it may destroy their artists integrity

Smart artist:

This type does paint the portrait because the money that they make will feed him for a week.


Disney imagineers are smart artists because it makes the business money, and because the rides are still works of art, but more people come then ever before.

ummm? I'm just stating facts here guys

 

[tl77]

Double check your EPCOT history. EPCOT by design is a lot older then the Magic Kingdom.

The Progress City version of EPCOT that Walt Disney envisioned dates back to the mid 60's, but the theme park version of EPOCT, which is what was actually built, was designed in the mid to late 1970's after MK was open -so you've been triple checked -you're welcome

 

[Voxel]

The Progress City version of EPCOT that Walt Disney envisioned dates back to the mid 60's, but the theme park version of EPOCT, which is what was actually built, was designed in the mid to late 1970's after MK was open -so you've been triple checked -you're welcome

Then you meant Epcot not EPCOT. EPCOT is the Experiment Prototype Community Of Tomorrow, Its an acronym hence its capitalization. Epcot is the current usage for the Theme park (though when its original dedication uses EPCOT, most outside media uses Epcot to prevent confusion of the two). If your going to use EPCOT then you should have specified which of the Epcot you mean if you didn't want people correcting you.

 

[Voxel]

@tl77 My intention was not to start a fight but proper usage needs used when specifying Epcots because their is a vast difference between the two and some including myself think of EPCOT project well before we think about the Epcot theme park.

 

[tl77]

@tl77 My intention was not to start a fight but proper usage needs used when specifying Epcots because their is a vast difference between the two and some including myself think of EPCOT project well before we think about the Epcot theme park.

When it opened it was EPCOT Center, notice it's ALL CAPITAL LETTERS in EPCOT? This is how all the logos and signage appeared, when the version of the park that was actually built opened in 1982

In 2000 when they began discarding it's original theme, all the logos and singage became this is weird combination letters and symbols with the UPPER CASE "E" and lower case letters or Epcot

And just to specify, this thread it about the attractions in the version of EPCOT that was actually built, the only person referencing Progress City version of EPCOT is you

 

[Voxel]

When it opened it was EPCOT Center, notice it's ALL CAPITAL LETTERS in EPCOT? This is how all the logos and signage appeared, when the version of the park that was actually built opened in 1982

In 2000 when they began discarding it's original theme, all the logos and singage became this is weird combination letters and symbols with the UPPER CASE "E" and lower case letters or Epcot

And just to specify, this thread it about the attractions in the version of EPCOT that was actually built, the only person referencing Progress City version of EPCOT is you

Calm down. I said in my statment that the dedication and original aspects were EPCOT. Very true but when your statment was the plan for the original EPCOT were all original characters. Well original EPCOT is the city. Sorry. As for EPCOT being used until 2000 in not entirely true. While yes the logo switched multiple media including books and CDs from the 90s use Epcot. My intention was the verify there is not confusion if information going on. No need to jump down my throat. Especially when more then one person corrected your original post.

 

[MonorailLover]

all the logos and singage became this is weird combination letters and symbols with the UPPER CASE "E" and lower case letters or Epcot

I think that the Capitol is there because it is a name? Not because there making weird combinations of upper and lower case letters. It's like writing out John or John... And I do not think the c is meant to be upper case, only to fit around the o or SSE symbol.

EPCOT's original plan ended with Walt's death, the imagineers wanted to continue his vision, but didn't have his ideas to make it more like what he wanted originally.

Lots of things changed around that time, they removed the Mickey hand with 2001 on it on SSE, i think due to the new century, since it was originally supposed to show the 21st century in the 20th. Now that it is the 21st, why would people want to, or they think people would want to see what's going to happen yesterday from a persons view of it 30 years ago.... I wouldn't!

Yes it's become more on a theme park over the years, but after Walt died, It was made to be a theme park, and they have to compete with other places.

As more people can learn about future technology and history's accomplishments online, Disney has been and continue to slowly adjust there rides to allow people to use google than come to the parks.