FREE TIGGER T Shirt????

[SirNim]

Hasn't Disney been selling some somewhat risqué Jessica Rabbit shirts lately?

Coulda sworn a thread was made about that 'bout a year ago.

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To me, the legend "Free Tigger" seems innocuous enough. It seems that there are far more offensive possibilities out there. IMHO.

 

[mrtoad]

These are a few of the shirts I created that I like. The last two have been the most popular.


http://www.cafepress.com/nogginness/1826724

http://www.cafepress.com/nogginness/1827329

http://www.cafepress.com/nogginness/1831101

http://www.cafepress.com/nogginness.79653854

http://www.cafepress.com/nogginness/1824482

http://www.cafepress.com/nogginness/1824671

 

[lpet11984]

here is one I made over at the official zazzle site for disney make your own shirts

http://www.zazzle.com/collections/disneyinkshop/product.asp?product_id=235251050448834274

I made this for this event. I thought the wording could be taken in many different contexts.

I LOVE this one!!! :sohappy:

 

[davidpw97]

wow the people on this board are so creative and hysterical. I think all the shirts shown so far should be manufactured and sold.
I hope the original poster does wear the "Free Tigger" shirt and wear it proud. I would suggest bringing a backup shirt to the park that day just incase someone isn't in a joking mood, or wear it but cover it up with a jacket when you first enter then later on take your jacket off, it will make a great story. I hope you atleast bring the "Free Tigger" shirt with you, would love to see a picture of you with tigger while you're wearing that shirt even if you don't wear it all day long.

 

[Teenchy]

I've one more thing to add to the birthday list. :drevil:

Cafepress, or is it available elsewhere?

I've had it for awhile but yes I think it was from Cafepress

 

[Rockin Roller]

Wear a shirt that says "Thats what tiggers do" with a fist :lol:

 

[MissM]

*CRINGES!!*

i thought copyright issues come into play when you are trying to sell it.

but if it is a home made shirt, then, i don't see the copy right problem.

and...

I don't think copyright would come into play if you are not selling them.

Oh jeez....seriously, this is one of the BIGGEST COPYRIGHT MYTHS ON THE PLANET.

2) "If I don't charge for it, it's not a violation." False. Whether you charge can affect the damages awarded in court, but that's main difference under the law. It's still a violation if you give it away -- and there can still be serious damages if you hurt the commercial value of the property.10 Big Myths of Copyright Explained
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and...

2. If I give credit I don't need permission.

Giving credit means you can look at yourself in the mirror and say you are not a plagiarist. However, merely giving credit is not a defense to copyright infringement which, unlike plagiarism, has legal, not ethical, consequences. Copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of someone else's copyrighted material. By contrast, you can plagiarize material not protected by copyright simply by taking credit for it.
Ten Common Copyright Permission Myths
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and...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Myth #3: It's okay to use anything as long as I’m not making any money off it.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No. The absence of a profit might affect how far a copyright holder decides to go against an infringement, but it does not determine whether the infringement exists. The question is whether you have permission for the use. If you don’t have permission, you’re infringing.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Myth #5: It’s okay to use anything as long as I give credit[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No. For copyright law, the question is whether you have permission. If you don’t have permission, you’re infringing.

Myth #6: It’s okay to use anything as long as I include the creator’s copyright notice[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No -- unless the copyright notice permits the use you are contemplating. Some electronic newsletters, for example, specifically permit forwarding as long as the copyright notice is included in the forward and kept intact. Likewise, some book copyright notices permit excepting a short amount (usually a specified number of words) for reviews. If a notice grants blanket permission for a specified use, you must follow the requirements of the permission, or else you don’t have permission. And if you don’t have permission, you’re infringing.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Eight Copyright Myths of the Online World
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"Fair Use" covers parody and criticism. Which is why the "Tigger Balboa" would be most likely Fair Use, but using the flat-out image of Tigger is utterly illegal under copyright law. The first is a spoof; the second is merely using a copyrighted image without permission. It gets worse if you sell them as well. (Which is why sites like Zazzle and Cafepress will - and does - delete images which infringe on copyrighted material.)

Seriously guys, using a heart with a picture of Tigger on it IS 100% without a shadow of doubt a violation of copyright. Whether Disney choses to pursue a claim against you or not is their right, but IT IS STILL ILLEGAL.
-m

 

[mrtoad]

You carry all that info around in your purse... :animwink:

I think I would take my chances that they are not going to come after you for putting an image on your shirt if it was for personal use. I mean first off, are they going to drag you through the mud for a single shirt? Two, how can they prove you made it? "Oh really, this is not an official Disney shirt? I was not told that when I bought it."

Not trying to debate what is the right thing to do, I am just saying I highly and I mean highly doubt Disney or any other company would come after you for that. It is not worth their time and money.

*CRINGES!!*



and...



Oh jeez....seriously, this is one of the BIGGEST COPYRIGHT MYTHS ON THE PLANET.

2) "If I don't charge for it, it's not a violation." False. Whether you charge can affect the damages awarded in court, but that's main difference under the law. It's still a violation if you give it away -- and there can still be serious damages if you hurt the commercial value of the property.10 Big Myths of Copyright Explained
​

and...

2. If I give credit I don't need permission.

Giving credit means you can look at yourself in the mirror and say you are not a plagiarist. However, merely giving credit is not a defense to copyright infringement which, unlike plagiarism, has legal, not ethical, consequences. Copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of someone else's copyrighted material. By contrast, you can plagiarize material not protected by copyright simply by taking credit for it.
Ten Common Copyright Permission Myths
​

and...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Myth #3: It's okay to use anything as long as I’m not making any money off it.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No. The absence of a profit might affect how far a copyright holder decides to go against an infringement, but it does not determine whether the infringement exists. The question is whether you have permission for the use. If you don’t have permission, you’re infringing.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Myth #5: It’s okay to use anything as long as I give credit[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No. For copyright law, the question is whether you have permission. If you don’t have permission, you’re infringing.

Myth #6: It’s okay to use anything as long as I include the creator’s copyright notice[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No -- unless the copyright notice permits the use you are contemplating. Some electronic newsletters, for example, specifically permit forwarding as long as the copyright notice is included in the forward and kept intact. Likewise, some book copyright notices permit excepting a short amount (usually a specified number of words) for reviews. If a notice grants blanket permission for a specified use, you must follow the requirements of the permission, or else you don’t have permission. And if you don’t have permission, you’re infringing.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Eight Copyright Myths of the Online World
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"Fair Use" covers parody and criticism. Which is why the "Tigger Balboa" would be most likely Fair Use, but using the flat-out image of Tigger is utterly illegal under copyright law. The first is a spoof; the second is merely using a copyrighted image without permission. It gets worse if you sell them as well. (Which is why sites like Zazzle and Cafepress will - and does - delete images which infringe on copyrighted material.)

Seriously guys, using a heart with a picture of Tigger on it IS 100% without a shadow of doubt a violation of copyright. Whether Disney choses to pursue a claim against you or not is their right, but IT IS STILL ILLEGAL.
-m

 

[mrtoad]

Just a follow up on that. Not sure to the answer to this but, if I buy a Disney book and cut the pictures out of the book and then plaster them to a wooden box making a hat box or whatever. Could you sell that box to somebody in either a craftshow or what have you saying it is a box made from a Disney book? You paid for the book, you are not reproducing the image but using the actual image from the book. Say the book cost you $12.00 and you sell the box for $75 to some Disney collector, did you do anything wrong?

That is a serious question by the way.

 

[LilDucky]

I made a "Figment is the shiznit" t-shirt one year to wear to WDW, with his image on it :lookaroun All the CM's loved it :lookaroun

If that's wrong, then I dont want to be right :lookaroun

 

[mrtoad]

*CRINGES!!*

One last reply for you. I am assuming your above comment means you cringe at our ignorance. I am assuming you know everything about anything then and if we have question we can email or PM you at any time, right? :wave:

 

[mrtoad]

I made a "Figment is the shiznit" t-shirt one year to wear to WDW, with his image on it :lookaroun All the CM's loved it :lookaroun

If that's wrong, then I dont want to be right :lookaroun

See they have a sense of humor.

 

[haveyoumetmark]

:lookaroun

I threw this together really fast. It's alright, I guess, it serves my purpose. I wanted a visual.


I think it would be hilarious if you did actually wear this shirt. I don't think anyone would really make a big deal, if anything you'd get compliments. I didn't watermark it, so take as you wish.

 

[MickeyTigg]

I am going to WDW next week and I was wondering if I would get in trouble for wearing a FREE TIGGER t shirt? Is there any rules against wearing homemade tshirt with sayings on them. Might be a lame question, but I want to show my support without being asked to leave or change my shirt. Anyone have any ideas????

Maybe you can still have this shirt but use it at the pool....if it's warm enough.

I agree that it would be bad to wear it to a park...but it might be amusing to wear around the pool/resort.

 

[KeithVH]

Sorry, I'm with MissM on this. She's on the side of the angels here. Several seem to STILL be thinking that "it's just one shirt so I consider it OK". Where I come from, we have this concept called the rule of law. It's not a matter of degree. Or personal judgement. It's either right or wrong. A matter of principal.

Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Just because something can be accomplished on an internet web site doesn't always mean it's legal. Wait till you upload some great park pic here and a year later find someone copied it for their travel agency brochure that helped drive a %50 increase in their business. You'd bloody well scream copyright infringement/licensing issues then I bet.

 

[mrtoad]

I guess we just disagree. I think if it is for personal use it is ok.

Here is another example that if it were the way you guys are talking about it, it would be wrong to do but again I see no problem with it. Have you ever seen the Disney software Disney's Magic Artist? If I use that program and create a picture with Mickey in it and then print it out and I buy a looseleaf binder that has the pocket in the front for putting in your own picture. I stick my new Mickey artwork in it and then go to the Magic Kingdom and use it as my autograph book, am I doing something wrong here? If I print the image on a transfer sheet and iron it onto my shirt and then wear that to the Magic Kingdom (or anywhere else for that matter) am I doing something wrong? The software is Disney software and gives you the ability to either output the image as a file or print it. If they did not expect you to use the images, why on earth would they give you that ability? I am sure if you read the license it will say images are copyright of Disney and how you can use them and such which would include not selling but am I am sure they expect you to use the images if you are able to print them from within the software.

 

[haveyoumetmark]

Its just a comedic shirt. All it is, is some fun. The least of anyone's worries with this should be copyright infringement.

 

[BwanaBob]

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[tigsmom]

Disney, at one time, sold iron on transfer books. You cut out the picture, ironed on the image and then used paint (fabric or otherwise) to paint in the colors (yes, the copyright mark was included). I made shirts for all the kids as gifts, but saw many versions at craft fairs for sale...shirts, caps, plaques, etc.

Disney sold the transfers with the idea that they would be reproduced as each transfer could be used multiple times, the same would go with their knitting patterns... nowhere does it say the materials made could not be sold for individual profit.

 

[brkgnews]

Not exactly the same, but I've seen Looney Tunes craft books (woodworking, etc) that specifically state that the patterns and such canNOT be used to sell at craft shows, etc.

By the way... Figment is the Shiznit? Pure Genius.