News FPs cancelled when Hotel room cancelled

[Gabe1]

Yeah. I’m not planning on going this fall. Besides, my office will be moving into a new building by the end of the year. I’ll be all involved in that. Think I’ll wait until 2020 before checking out SW:GE. I have no illusions that crowds will still be huge like on Pandora. I just want to avoid the initial slam, especially with Ep IX opening in December.

Yep. I have a trip planned for September prior to the Star Wars launch. As always like FoP and previous launches NEW brings ridiculous lines. I so remember the absurd 5 hours lines to meet Anna and Elsa in Norway. Star Wars is different. It is more of cult-ish type following more than just Disney loyalists. It is generations of fans many of which are not the typical Disney fan. Squishing all these people waiting for years for this land to open in a very small square footage area in a park that is small and pathways that are beyond narrow.

Me I am a fan of the Tower, Mania and my love of Muppets. I can put aside my love of all three and avoid that park. I can't imagine the crowds dissipating by 2020. Avatar has yet to command the longevity of Starwars and its multi generational loyalty. While FoP is solid attraction it commanded the same long lines that Everest did when it launched as did Mine train in FLE. My observation is more that all the parks for a long time lacked new for a long time. When Mania, FoP, Frozen and Mine Train launched it was exciting to finally see something new.

Me, Star Wars is beyond new, it is a land dedicated to a fan base of decades of fans. My fear is more the hourly load rate to how many fans are planning to converge on their Star Wars Passion in a park that was built on square footage that was beyond small to handle the crowds on their narrow walk ways. We already see that in Toy Story with 3 attractions with nowhere for the guests to disperse to. Star Wars fans greatly out number the fans for Toy Story. I can't imagine this is going to be a good situation. I've watched the body wall of of CM's that create a physical wall to escort guests to Toy, I can't imagine what it is going to take to control guests to Star Wars. Likely not pretty.

 

[WycombeDad]

Is there any solid evidence this has actually happened? There have been some unusual FPP drops the last few days but besides that this doesn't seem to have the evidence to support it I'd expect a week in.

 

[Trackmaster]

Yeah my concern is that I often hold multiple legitimate reservations at the same time. I hope the system is smart enough to leave my FPs alone for an upcoming trip if I cancel or modify a separate trip that's further out.

I think that you get a 48 hour grace period to book another hotel. However, if you fail to book another qualifying Disney hotel, you'd lose the FP+ for the stuff that you booked more than 30 days out.

 

[wdwmagic]

Changes to FastPass+ aims to reduce misuse of the service

MyMagic+ News

Another line of abusing the FastPass+ system has been closed with this latest update.

www.wdwmagic.com

 

[JohnD]

I think that you get a 48 hour grace period to book another hotel. However, if you fail to book another qualifying Disney hotel, you'd lose the FP+ for the stuff that you booked more than 30 days out.

Correct. Just confirmed.

 

[JohnD]

Hopefully there will be a good side effect of making it somewhat easier to get hard to get FPs like FOP.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The place costs too much for cheaters....

Weed em all out, I say

 

[actioncookbook]

You've got to ask yourself some seriously deep questions if you're making and canceling hotel reservations to abuse the FastPass system.

Like where are you in life for that to be a priority?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Casual racism. Fun.

Isn’t it grand??

“ ‘MERICA!!!”

 

[dwight16]

ok so if you booked an "extra" reservation before your real reservation and only have FPs booked during your real reservation but used the extra window to gain better FP will you lose all the FP you booked via the early window? i know there are a few podcasts that talk about doing this exact thing and i hope they kill it. i feel like the code is not there to knowing what is a real one. this could get tricky if you have split stays.....

 

[Gary7777777]

With a 14 day ticket being the longest available and using a 60 day pre arrival booking window, this puts the maximum FastPass+ window at 74 days out.

The above section in this original post is incorrect. If you are staying in a concierge level room at one of the deluxe properties you can book fast passes 90 days out for three strait days for an additional cost of $150.

 

[iowamomof4]

Changes to FastPass+ aims to reduce misuse of the service

MyMagic+ News

Another line of abusing the FastPass+ system has been closed with this latest update.

www.wdwmagic.com

I wonder how this might affect split-stays. We have tickets that aren't part of a package (dh and I have AP's, everyone else has 10-day hoppers). We're coming in a day early and staying at AOA before moving over to Pop for the rest of our stay, so we'll be on property the whole time. When our FP window opens for our AOA stay, will I still be able to book the entire 10-days worth of FP+ or will I now be limited to just the days surrounding our night at AOA and then have to wake up early the next day to book the rest of the trip?

 

[nickys]

Still not clear what happens with a leading reservation.

I will cheer when that one is also closed.

I also assume that, since we UKers can get a 21 day ticket, that as long as you’re staying onsite that we will still get a rolling window after the initial 14 days. @wdwmagic, anything on this? The article kinda implies a 14 day ticket is the longest. I know what you meant and the 74 day window would still apply, but it isn’t totally clear IMO.

 

[nickys]

I wonder how this might affect split-stays. We have tickets that aren't part of a package (dh and I have AP's, everyone else has 10-day hoppers). We're coming in a day early and staying at AOA before moving over to Pop for the rest of our stay, so we'll be on property the whole time. When our FP window opens for our AOA stay, will I still be able to book the entire 10-days worth of FP+ or will I now be limited to just the days surrounding our night at AOA and then have to wake up early the next day to book the rest of the trip?

Nothing to suggest that changes.

However I do wonder if they have closed the loophole that you could book and then cancel just AoA, having taken advantage of the earlier window. One day - not an issue, make it 7 days and ......

 

[JohnD]

You've got to ask yourself some seriously deep questions if you're making and canceling hotel reservations to abuse the FastPass system.

Like where are you in life for that to be a priority?

You know they say there are only two things that are certain: death and taxes. Actually, there's a third: people will find a way to game the system.

 

[nickys]

ok so if you booked an "extra" reservation before your real reservation and only have FPs booked during your real reservation but used the extra window to gain better FP will you lose all the FP you booked via the early window? i know there are a few podcasts that talk about doing this exact thing and i hope they kill it. i feel like the code is not there to knowing what is a real one. this could get tricky if you have split stays.....

This is doable, just more complex to close. They may have closed it with this upgrade. If not, hopefully they will still work on it and close it in the future.

If they don’t, I’ll send them my pseudo code to do it! It took a while but it is possible without affecting genuine cases and the current split stay rules. The easiest way though is to go the ADR route.

 

[nickys]

It’s been spotted over on Touring Plans that they have also closed the 30-60 day window before an onsite stay too.

So if you are booked from the 1st May, then at 60 days prior you could book FPs for any days before your onsite stay started at the same time. Not any more.

 

[ThatMouse]

"2 day grace period to create another booking to retain those FastPass+ selections. "

This makes me nervous given how prone to error the current system is. Many times I make the new reservation before cancelling the old one, and it might be through another agent. The order of operations could erroneously set the "hasReservation" flag to false.

 

[wdwmagic]

I wonder how this might affect split-stays. We have tickets that aren't part of a package (dh and I have AP's, everyone else has 10-day hoppers). We're coming in a day early and staying at AOA before moving over to Pop for the rest of our stay, so we'll be on property the whole time. When our FP window opens for our AOA stay, will I still be able to book the entire 10-days worth of FP+ or will I now be limited to just the days surrounding our night at AOA and then have to wake up early the next day to book the rest of the trip?

Let us know what happens with this

 

[wdwmagic]

Still not clear what happens with a leading reservation.

I will cheer when that one is also closed.

I also assume that, since we UKers can get a 21 day ticket, that as long as you’re staying onsite that we will still get a rolling window after the initial 14 days. @wdwmagic, anything on this? The article kinda implies a 14 day ticket is the longest. I know what you meant and the 74 day window would still apply, but it isn’t totally clear IMO.

I don't have any clarification on this point. There has to be some accommodation of the special 21 day ticket.