FP+ meltdown part x

[BrerJon]

No, no you don't.

OK, exam question: You have a party of 20, 3 are Cast Members maingating 2 others each, 1 of whom may or may not be coming, 4 are staying in a resort booked 2 weeks in advance, 5 of the party are buying their tickets on the day, 2 have Annual Passes, and two more people decide at the last minute they want to come along for the day so just turn up.

Now, what is the procedure for making sure everyone has a Fastpass before 12pm (because half the party has to leave early) for Splash Mountain, changing it to Thunder Mountain if it's raining, with nobody being left unable to ride in that timeframe.

You have 30 seconds.

The answer in the old system is, "whichever ride you want, first thing you do is the whole party, or a runner for the party with the tickets goes to the machine and puts the cards in to get the Fastpasses".

 

[ford91exploder]

Ah yes, profiles, corrupted profiles, computers.......

Anyone ever really believe any computer operating system will not crash? And why are we betting people's vacations on a computer system to help them run through the parks in glee? Because it is not gonna happen. People are going to go in and anticipate every thing running right only to be disappointed that "oh sorry the system is down, everything you have planned is gone, please start over." Nobody should have to spend hours getting their profile fixed from the Disney IT help desk while on vacation!

I am not sure about the rest of you but my time is precious on vacation.

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Isn't technology wonderful?
It is, actually. It's the inane people that are clueless regarding how to integrate it properly who are the problem.

Wrong, it is making something that was very simple into something complicated. We lived many years without fastpass, cell phones, smart phones etc. In fact it is the dumbing down of the US that is the problem.

Well actually IBM's MVS operating system for mainframes can and has gone for decades without an IPL (Initial Program Load) or reboot as the rest of the world calls it. But Disney did not implement on a IBM mainframe...

 

[BrerJon]

Well actually IBM's MVS operating system for mainframes can and has gone for decades without an IPL (Initial Program Load) or reboot as the rest of the world calls it. But Disney did not implement on a IBM mainframe...

I think they just watched a few too many Apple keynotes, heard how 'magical' everything was and thought 'hey, we do magic better than anyone, this will be easy!'.

 

[ford91exploder]

I think they just watched a few too many Apple keynotes, heard how 'magical' everything was and thought 'hey, we do magic better than anyone, this will be easy!'.

Yes they probably did, Also TDO would never buy a IBM mainframe they cost REAL money.

 

[Bolt]

OK, exam question: You have a party of 20, 3 are Cast Members maingating 2 others each, 1 of whom may or may not be coming, 4 are staying in a resort booked 2 weeks in advance, 5 of the party are buying their tickets on the day, 2 have Annual Passes, and two more people decide at the last minute they want to come along for the day so just turn up.

Now, what is the procedure for making sure everyone has a Fastpass before 12pm (because half the party has to leave early) for Splash Mountain, changing it to Thunder Mountain if it's raining, with nobody being left unable to ride in that timeframe.

You have 30 seconds.

The answer in the old system is, "whichever ride you want, first thing you do is the whole party, or a runner for the party with the tickets goes to the machine and puts the cards in to get the Fastpasses".

Guess what. The old system is gone. Stop living in the past.

 

[coastrnut]

Yes they probably did, Also TDO would never buy a IBM mainframe they cost REAL money.

Unless they ditched the mainframe, (which I don't think they did), Disney World did or still does have a mainframe. I once applied to be a mainframe operator with Disney World, (they had an actual job posting up for it), but I never heard anything. Last I heard, they outsourced mainframe operations (they still had the actual mainframe, but, the operators were outsourced and not Disney employees). As far as the reliability of the mainframe, yes, they are extremly reliable. I have been with my present employer for 12 years as a mainframe computer operator. Yes, we do do IPL's to implement upgrades, but in the 12 years I have been with my employer, the mainframe has never 'crashed' or went down for no reason. Now - the servers on the other hand, they crash and 'go down' for no reason quite a bit. There is a lot to be said for the computing power and reliability of the mainframes, and I do not see them going away time soon.

 

[AEfx]

A family friend called last night because they were heading to the MK today. They are total Disney theme park virgins, and had never even heard of marquee rides like Pirates, Splash, etc.

It's WAY too complicated. All family X from Sheboigan wants to do is show up, ride rides, meet characters, watch shows, eat, leave. Disney has made it rocket science and it's a **** shame.

Absolutely, completely. Folks already complained about the complexity - and the old system was so dead simple that it was explained in one panel on the guide map by cartoon characters as 1, 2, 3.

There is nothing easy about this system. It caters to all the wrong folks - those who already know their way around everything and weren't the ones who needed help in the first place.

 

[AEfx]

Being too hard for some tourists to grasp is an issue, how?

Because "some tourists" are the target audience of WDW. The majority of folks who visit WDW are tourists on vacation - not the lifestylers and military drill Sargent obsessive trip planners that this system appeals to.

 

[rct247]

To be honest, while I have used the kiosks to book Fastpass+ selections a handful of times in the past year when I have had groups of people with me, we have maybe only used it on one or two rides total. We either can't get what we want, don't want to wait for the times available, or with some attractions, they are just not needed.

Other than a semi long wait here and there, we've done just find without it.

 

[wdisney9000]

Guess what. The old system is gone

Quality management and timely construction along with it.

 

[BrerJon]

Other than a semi long wait here and there, we've done just find without it.

I think yours is the majority experience, and matches mine. In addition to the MDE redistribution, one of the reasons standby lines are longer now is many people who in the past used Fastpass now just can't be bothered with the hassle of dealing with apps and kiosks so have abandoned the system altogether.

 

[asianway]

Quality management and timely construction along with it.

I have 4 other resorts plus 4 cruise ships-I'm surviving just fine

 

[jcsmotek]

"Why"?


" why do I need to reserve times? What if I don't want to ride it then? What if we are still having lunch? Why do these rides need it more than those rides? Why are the wait times so high? Does the pass thing mean I can only ride a few rides a day? Does it cost money? What if I wanna ride something twice? What happens if the ride breaks down? What if there's a nasty rainstorm and we stay at the hotel? What if the rain closes down the rides?"

"Why do you have to reserve time for a meet n greet, don't the characters just walk around?"


These are only HALF of the questions I've had to answer while explaining the new system to my Mom.

Her reply was, "what was wrong with the old system?"

I didn't have an answer.

Every now and again I read these forums just to see what the latest info is, and I always seem to see all of these negative comments and complaints, etc. etc. etc. Do you people understand that you DO NOT have to use the FP+ system. If you hate it so much wait in the standby lines, and don't participate in anything that they offer, I am not just referring to your comment, but to everyone who hates Disney and what they try to do. I also find it odd that if you all hate it sooo much, you are on this forum all the time and seem to go to Disney quite often, for being such haters you seem to like it enough to go. HMMMM!!!!
I personally have no problem with what is going on, it actually makes our trips easier, in the past after we entered the parks I would gather everyones tickets and run to a ride, fastpass it meet back up ride a couple rides, if the time to get another fastpass was up, fastpass another ride, then ride the frst FP, etc. etc. How about take the time to enjoy why you are there with your family. This is probably my 2nd and only post on this forum, and unless you have something positive DON'T RESPOND, there is enough negativity already. Going in December, CAN'T WAIT!!!!!

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

This is probably my 2nd and only post on this forum, and unless you have something positive DON'T RESPOND, there is enough negativity already. Going in December, CAN'T WAIT!!!!!

I respect your opinion, truly. If FP+ really is a plus for you, all the power to ya (though I'm baffled how anyone can really rile for NextGen at this point). What I don't respect is the request to be POSITIVE and MAGICal all the time. This forum is the ONLY forum I've stuck around for this long because debates are so colorful, interesting and show a bit more strength and wisdom than your usual fandom (not to mention the Disney ones). To ask less of this place is just mind-baffling. Just thought I'd point out something that might change your perspective on all the "negativity".

 

[BrerJon]

I also find it odd that if you all hate it sooo much, you are on this forum all the time and seem to go to Disney quite often, for being such haters you seem to like it enough to go. HMMMM!!!!

Part of the problem is different people define 'Disney' as different things. For some, it's Walt Disney and his vision of how parks should operate and work, for others 'Disney' means a bundle of movies and cartoon characters, for others it's whatever the stockholders decide it is this week. The former are always going to seem strange to the latter, and vice versa.

This is a WDW-centred forum, and many of the 'haters' don't hate Disney, they love it, or at least what it used to be, but it is the case that many long-time visitors or people with an interest in park history, such as those who remember EPCOT Center, feel things aren't as good as they used to be and the standard has dropped, so they are obviously going to comment on that - it's a discussion forum, not a corporate cheerleading forum - Disney has the Mom's Panel sites for that.

To those people, who have a different idea of what 'Disney' should be, the only people who seem to be 'hating Disney' are the suits in Team Disney Orlando, who have done their best to throw out many of the things that made some of the posters to these forums Disney park fans in the first place.

And why do the 'haters' keep coming back on vacation? Because - for now- there are still many great things WDW has to offer, but just because you like some aspects a lot doesn't mean you have to like *everything* without question.

 

[Nestlejean55]

I, personally, like the " old" days. You went to the parks early with a game plan. Got to the land you decided on and hit the popular rides first while everyone was just arriving. Then you worked your way around, went on what you wanted when you wanted, ate where you wanted when you wanted, saw characters here and there and had a great, relaxing time. You waited in line like everyone else. No one was passing you by in the fast pass line while you waited and waited. You tend to not like those people unless you are in that fast pass line. You didn't have to zig zag through the parks to meet a time slot. You worked your way around each area and, later at night you could go back for more or hit what you missed because the lines were less then.be ermine waited the same. No one had earlier booking times or stayed up until until midnight to book fast passes. Rides only hold so many people. Someone has to wait. Just keep it the same for all. I prefer no fast passes.

 

[wdisney9000]

if you all hate it sooo much, you are on this forum all the time and seem to go to Disney quite often, for being such haters you seem to like it enough to go. HMMMM!!!!

and unless you have something positive DON'T RESPOND

You ask people "if you hate it sooo much, why go"?, but you demand ONLY POSITIVE answers to your question.

You dont want answers, you just want to be pacified. Pull the sheets tightly over your head while someone who isnt scared of the truth looks under your bed for monsters.

 

[BigTxEars]

I respect your opinion, truly. If FP+ really is a plus for you, all the power to ya (though I'm baffled how anyone can really rile for NextGen at this point). What I don't respect is the request to be POSITIVE and MAGICal all the time. This forum is the ONLY forum I've stuck around for this long because debates are so colorful, interesting and show a bit more strength and wisdom than your usual fandom (not to mention the Disney ones). To ask less of this place is just mind-baffling. Just thought I'd point out something that might change your perspective on all the "negativity".

I personally rile for NextGen because we enjoy it and think it makes our trip better. I would guess that is the same reason you don't care for it, you think it makes your trip worse. It's personal persepctive at the end of the day. In the end if it proves unpopular enough with guest and start to hurts business it will go away. A this point it seems to be expanding, does that mean it is popular with the average guest? I don't know but it appears Disney thinks so.

I wonder how far behind Uni is in doing something similar to WDW? They may never but I would guess they are at the very least looking at something to update what they offer now.

 

[draybook]

Every now and again I read these forums just to see what the latest info is, and I always seem to see all of these negative comments and complaints, etc. etc. etc. Do you people understand that you DO NOT have to use the FP+ system. If you hate it so much wait in the standby lines, and don't participate in anything that they offer, I am not just referring to your comment, but to everyone who hates Disney and what they try to do. I also find it odd that if you all hate it sooo much, you are on this forum all the time and seem to go to Disney quite often, for being such haters you seem to like it enough to go. HMMMM!!!!
I personally have no problem with what is going on, it actually makes our trips easier, in the past after we entered the parks I would gather everyones tickets and run to a ride, fastpass it meet back up ride a couple rides, if the time to get another fastpass was up, fastpass another ride, then ride the frst FP, etc. etc. How about take the time to enjoy why you are there with your family. This is probably my 2nd and only post on this forum, and unless you have something positive DON'T RESPOND, there is enough negativity already. Going in December, CAN'T WAIT!!!!!

 

[wdisney9000]

I, personally, like the " old" days. You went to the parks early with a game plan. Got to the land you decided on and hit the popular rides first while everyone was just arriving. Then you worked your way around, went on what you wanted when you wanted, ate where you wanted when you wanted, saw characters here and there and had a great, relaxing time. You waited in line like everyone else. No one was passing you by in the fast pass line while you waited and waited. You tend to not like those people unless you are in that fast pass line. You didn't have to zig zag through the parks to meet a time slot. You worked your way around each area and, later at night you could go back for more or hit what you missed because the lines were less then.be ermine waited the same. No one had earlier booking times or stayed up until until midnight to book fast passes. Rides only hold so many people. Someone has to wait. Just keep it the same for all. I prefer no fast passes.

The "old days" were when Disney knew that quality offerings, clean parks, and fair prices was all that was needed to keep guests coming back and in turn that would get them "a bigger share of your wallet". It was a win-win.

Today, Disney just wants a bigger share of your wallet without having to do as much. (in Orlando at least) They think that by keeping you tethered to your phone and down to the minute planning will make you feel as if youve done more and that YOU have control.