Former Disney World Worker Planning to Sue

The Mom

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Have I missed something? :veryconfu Wasn't the article about a former employee suing Disney for wrongful termination? Her contention was that she was terminated because she was slated to testify against Disney in a lawsuit (which was settled out of court after her termination.) The lawsuit that she was due to testify about concerned a child's injury, but hers didn't. (except for "someone" blaming her daughter's emotional problems on her mother's firing...the mother denies sending the photo and note to anyone at Disney)
 

wishiwere@wdw

Well-Known Member
I guess this is who we have to thank for the stupid people warning signs? I have not yet seen them in person but I understand they distract from the ride. I wonder if this case is somehow related?
 

RobFL

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What I heard about the accident before any of this (the case) was known...

It happened at the top of the ride. His parents were in one vehicle, and he was in another with his brother (older, i think). The vehicles turned to do the "side by side" thing as they looked at Earth during the scene and that is when he decided to try and jump from one vehicle to another. He didn't make it, fell, his foot landed on the track, and was promptly crushed and removed by the ride system.

He was medi-lifted out.

Disney payed for the hospitol bills, but then the family started a law suit.

Apparently, your child jumping out of a moving vehicle after being told not to gives you a good reason to blame someone else.

*sigh*

-Rob
 

Don L Duck

New Member
Original Poster
Originally posted by The Mom
Have I missed something? :veryconfu Wasn't the article about a former employee suing Disney for wrongful termination? Her contention was that she was terminated because she was slated to testify against Disney in a lawsuit (which was settled out of court after her termination.) The lawsuit that she was due to testify about concerned a child's injury, but hers didn't. (except for "someone" blaming her daughter's emotional problems on her mother's firing...the mother denies sending the photo and note to anyone at Disney)
Right again mom.
Disney is trying to turn it around in their favor.
Making her look like the bad one,,,, and see the direction this thread took.
Well I guess it worked.
AHH Propaganda:D
 

Jeremy22

New Member
Say what you want about "parents should do this or that"... The law would ask: Is it reasonable for Disney to expect a child to jump from the car and get hurt on Spaceship Earth. If so, then did Disney make a reasonable attempt to keep this from happening. If not, then Disney could be found negligent by a jury based on the facts of the case. That's why there are all those safety warnings now -- to demonstrate that Disney is taking every precaution to keep every guest safe on Spaceship Earth.

But on to the real subject of the thread, the employee who was allegedly fired for falsifying an FMLA leave claim. That is not so cut and dry, we don't know all of the facts, and there are always two sides to every story. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. Without knowing any of the facts, I can't take a side on who is right -- Disney or the former employee.

One thing I've learned about Disney is that they have some ruthless lawyers who will fight hard for Disney's interests. Most outside lawyers know that if you are suing Disney, you are in for a battle. But with a company as high-profile as Disney, in our litigious society, I don't blame them for their tough approach to lawsuits.
 

dizpins14

Member
I heard one story where a child was on SE and the ride stopped and the parents allowed the child to go play with the animatronics even though the whole "please stay seated"thing was said. When the ride started moving the kid ran to get into the car and his leg got caught in between the cars cause he feel. The dad instead of waiting for Disney officials pulled the child out which tore up his whole leg. I can't remeber if that rumor was ever put to rest but that's what I heard.
 

CREECH

New Member
This just sounds so horrible.......:drevil:

What ever happened to the "Sit down, Stay still, pay attention and most importantly.......stay buckled!!!!! :eek: ??????
 

dizpins14

Member
There are no buckles on SE cause who would be stupid enough to climb out of the car. These people should seriously be evaluated for some sort of brain
 

Horizons_03

Member
I just think that this is really rediculous
Parents need to be more alert about what there chidlren are doing and the parents were very wrong for letting there child to jump between cars while the ride was in motion and that there should be no law suit against disney.
 

Invero

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Horizons_03
I just think that this is really rediculous
Parents need to be more alert about what there chidlren are doing and the parents were very wrong for letting there child to jump between cars while the ride was in motion and that there should be no law suit against disney.

I rode Spaceship Earth today... and I noticed there was a new safety speil... instead of "The moving platform is moving at the same speed as your time machine vehicle" it was "Please keep your arms, hands, feet, and legs inside the ride vehicle at all times. Parents, please watch your children." (and then in Spanish)
 

Timekeeper

Well-Known Member
Yup

Originally posted by Jeremy22
Say what you want about "parents should do this or that"... The law would ask: Is it reasonable for Disney to expect a child to jump from the car and get hurt on Spaceship Earth. If so, then did Disney make a reasonable attempt to keep this from happening. If not, then Disney could be found negligent by a jury based on the facts of the case. That's why there are all those safety warnings now -- to demonstrate that Disney is taking every precaution to keep every guest safe on Spaceship Earth.

Exactly.

I believe that it is reasonable to expect a child to do just about anything while on a ride. Which raises the question, does WDW take reasonable measures to prevent this? Without getting too deep into the definition of "reasonable" and the "reasonable person" standard, we do know that WDW uses audio announcements - sometimes followed en Espanol. Now, there are those that say parents/kids are stupid for not following these safety spiels. But I must ask those people, is it "reasonable" to assume that all guests to WDW speak either English or Espanol? If that were the case, park guide maps would only need be printed in English or Spanish. The fact that they are printed in multiple languages acknowledges that park guests may actually extend beyond the English/Spanish speaking population. Considering that some guests do not understand the safety spiels, audio warnings do not benefit those guests. What other precautions is WDW taking to ensure the safety/understanding of those guests? "Common sense?" There are plenty of things about other cultures that make absolutely no sense to us, and vice versa. So the "common sense" argument is not always valid.

This may not directly relate to the thread topic case, but it does illustrate a point. Every guest has a subjective experience at WDW - which includes the perception of safety on an attraction.

There are also those who say that parents are not properly supervising their children. I gaurantee that 100% of the people who visit this message board at one point in their life directly defied their parents' demand, rules, etc. The mere fact that they were successful in a single or multiple defiance illustrates that no parent can have 100% control over their child's behavior. If parents did have 100% of control, than many of us would not be able to have an experience of disobedience.

Someone said that some people go for holiday, and others to make money (from a lawsuit.) To make this statement is to allude that the parents in this (or any other) case intentionally placed the child in harm's way. I suppose the trip-planning conversation would go a little something like this:

Bob (father): Wouldn't it be nice to retire right about now? I've got an idea, let's go to Disney World next week and bring Timmy.
Sally (mother): Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Bob: I was thinking that we could throw Timmy into the tracks on one of the rides. Maybe that big golfball ride at epcot.
Sally: If we time it right, Timmy would be sure to get hurt pretty bad, and we could then sue Disney and get millions!
Bob: Exactly, then we could retire next week.
Sally: We have to make sure he doesn't die, because pain and suffering settlements always get five times as much as wrongful deaths do.
Bob: I'll go tell Timmy to start packing.

Is this scenario likely? No.

My point?

While the majority of the posts in this thread side with WDW, it seems that many fail to take a more intellectual understanding of the parent's position. I would be willing to bet that - as a parent willing to take a child to WDW in the first place - any parent whose child is badly injured on a ride - would much rather the injury not have happened than settle for money.

Just ask yourself, how much money would someone have to pay you to have one of your legs torn off? If you cannot think of an amount, then you are beginning to understand.

Tk
 

tiggerlover1971

New Member
my thing is use common sense people would you stand up in a moving ride if the ride breaks down would you get out when it says to stay seated ride will resume shortly i dont feel sorry for anyone who doesnt use common sense
 

The Mom

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Premium Member
I think Time keeper makes a valid point. Most of our safety measure come about as a response to an injury, even if that injury occured years before we were born. (Just look at photos of 1890s amusement parks!) It is impossible to predict EVERY possible human action, so many problems don't surface until the damage has been done. Then companies who designed/manufactured/exposed someone to an item usually are held liable for their lack of foresight, just as I would be if my actions injured someone else.

It's up to a jury or judge to decide IF this danger could have been foreseen by a reasonable person. We all vary on our perception of danger to our children/selves. I would cut off my arm before letting my children ride unbelted in a car...others don't see any harm in it....and seatbelts weren't standard until I was an adult, so my parents didn't see ANY danger to their children! Did that make them neglectful? Of course not! But if they were raising children now, they would be aware of the dangers.

We had a thread that mentioned how dangerous wearing water shoes on a slide could be. Quite frankly, until I stopped to think about it, I wasn't concerned.

Children (and even adults) can be very unpredictable. Yes, they should be watched closely at all times, but most parents would not (whether rightly or wrongly) consider SE to be a "dangerous" ride. If the child was lifted between rides, we can sit back and say "What were they thinking?" If the child jumped spontaneously, we can look on and say "Those parents weren't doing their job!" However, I suspect an expert in household safety could come into my home and point out half a dozen life threatening dangers to my children that I'm not aware of, and I consider myself a vey protective mother.

Yes, there are some parents who are clearly not keeping their children under control. There are some whose children have been injured doing things that the average person would consider dangerous, but the parent is clueless. (as a former nurse, I could tell you stories!) There are other children who get hurt due to a previuosly undetected danger which could have been avoided by better planning. Then there are children who get hurt for no apparent reason...no one could have either foreseen or prevented it, but their parents will spend a lifetime of guilt thinking they could have done something to avoid it.

I suspect that this incident was a combination of at least 2 or 3 of the above.
 

RobFL

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Just for clarity...

It is also not reasonable for Disney to rebuild Spaceship Earth with restraints. There is also no reason to do so if people do as they're told.

It is also not reasonable for Disney to record a safety speil in every concievable language. You'd have to sit in the safety speil room for 10 minutes to hear them all, and then have to take a test on what they meant and wether or nor you were going to follow them - otherwise, by your standards, Disney would be neglectful. All of which, is entirely unreasonable.

Working with those who "left their brain at home" on a daily basis, I can tell you there are those problems we can predict, and those we never see comming. The ones we can predict we watch for and quickly respond to before there is an injury. Someone can and will jump out before the vehicles begin their first movement, which is entirely unsafe to do, but even after repeatedly telling people (all of which have done it speak English so far) it was a ride they decided not to beleive us and the ride was emergency stopped before it even got the chance to start.

Unforeseably, after the vehicles have been in motion, people will on rare occasions choose to "make their own exit" by stepping out of a vehicle, while it is moving or not (by climbing over the doors of course) and into the path of another vehicle which is about to hit them with enough force to cause a very serious injury. All of this, happens in pitch black, where they are stunned to realize we are watching them "just incase" on a series of infared cameras.

Oh, and immediately after you explain to them the dangers of exiting a moving vehicles, they really beleive their son or daughters potty emergency (the child they were carrying into the pitch black off of a moving vehicle, over the door, and past the signs saying "Please remain seated") was more important.

And about "Going to make money.." it happens. People come and ask for seats on simulators that are the smallest when they themselves are large, and then immediately try to blame a week old bruise (farther down on their leg than the seat could of possibly hit) on the ride.

-Rob
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
I agree with you, as far as the stupidity of guests goes. Since Disney can't check for common sense at the gate, they are left with trying to anticipate behavior, responding to unanticipated injuries by increasing safety measures, and risking lawsuits on the ones they miss. Paying off a personal injury suit from time to time is still cheaper than "redoing" SE and other attractions.

As you said, they obviously know that common sense isn't so common, so should (and I suspect, do) factor in the cost of stupidity into their operating budget. ;)
 

giadzi

New Member
I actually saw the following: As we ascended in Spaceship Earth a boy about 9 years old decided he no longer wanted to sit in the back of the vehicle and climbed into the front; here's the kicker-the parents who were sitting in the back seat with him actually were helping him by giving him a leg up. I am sure if he got hurt, the parents would have blamed Disney-IDIOTS!
 

Horizons_03

Member
Yeah , now that i think about it, I think that disney should maybe put in some sort of restrain system on there omnimovers like they did in the haunted mansion, to help prevent people from getting hurt, in a ride that has no restraints such as spaceship earth or Tommorow land Transit aurthority.

Horizons_03
 

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