For Reference: Space for a 5th Park at Walt Disney World

[Eric M Blake]

Are you ... under the impression that the position that Frank Wells held was actually Roy E Disney?

Because it was Frank Wells' death and the EuroDisney 'failure' that caused everything after it. Roy E had nothing to do with anything.

You know there's more than one unfortunate turn of events there, right?

Frank Wells's death, and the struggles with EuroDisney, led to Eisner going Play It Safe. Such led to, among other things, trusting Roy's creative "risk-taking" less and less, particularly with Fantastia 2000.

Things got WORSE with the Eisner-Roy split.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Right, and we're talking about the Save Disney (2) era. The 80s and early 90s are a completely different era.

But I would say Eisner-Wells was a much more influential duo than Eisner-Roy E. And its Wells' death (plus EuroDisney) that caused everything after, not a split with Roy E.

Roy lost it a bit at the end

So did Eisner

They both are far more influential in creating the position Disney holds now than the weatherman

 

[Kamikaze]

Roy lost it a bit at the end

So did Eisner

They both are far more influential in creating the position Disney holds now that the weatherman

No one mentioned Iger at any point. Why bring him up?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No one mentioned Iger at any point. Why bring him up?

Because we finally started talking about the man behind the curtain in recently, collapsing Times

Newsflash

Sorry for bringing up Eisner too

 

[HauntedPirate]

I take it the aforementioned DHS expansion wasn't particularly great...?

Also, again, when Roy was alive we got Enchanted, Princess & The Frog, and Tangled--a renaissance in the making.

Was it all as "big" as the first half of Eisner's run? No. But it's not like there was nothing great.

What DHS expansion between 2006-2016?

Tangled is the only movie you mention that was truly great.

If you doubled the sum total of Iger's 17+ years it still couldn't carry the jock strap of Eisner's first decade with a forklift.

 

[Eric M Blake]

What DHS expansion between 2006-2016?

Tangled is the only movie you mention that was truly great.

If you doubled the sum total of Iger's 17+ years it still couldn't carry the jock strap of Eisner's first decade with a forklift.

You seem to be quibbling over the fact that expansion didn't happen until X. You know darned well I'm referring to Galaxy's Edge and Toy Story Land.
 
Enchanted was a masterpiece, BTW.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It actually was Roy E's goal, because he had influence at Comcast and he saw it as his way into running Disney (or the Disney division of Comcast). The Board's removal of Eisner is what calmed the stockholders and stopped the talk of the hostile takeover. Which wasn't what Roy E wanted.

You seem to think Roy E was actually trying to 'do good' here. He was simply looking for power for himself. And the way he went about it was the worst way possible.

He got Brian roberts to apply pressure that ultimately accelerated Eisner’s resignation

They had a history/score to settle

As it goes…Roy nudged the tension, Eisner dug in, Comcast scared the much older, wiser board at that time (not the puppets of today)…Eisner called Diane and she told him it was time to go…And that weasel Iger crawled into the void.

That was the benefit of having some family guidance when needed then. It’s sorely lacking now. Such is life in business?

We will never truly know how the sausage was made…but it’s always better that way for fans.

I have little doubt Roy knew any takeover attempt was gonna be rejected. There was far more loyalty to the actual “brand” by management then than now…

He did settle a score…but wasn’t the idiot who just “happened” to Shepard the smallish studio with parks in 1983 into one of the growing and now largest media conglomerates today.

You give him far too little credit. You know what he’d be saying if he were alive today? Exactly what needs to be done…wouldn’t stay quiet and let the chapek thing skate.

Good discussion in any case…with varying opinions

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What DHS expansion between 2006-2016?

Tangled is the only movie you mention that was truly great.

If you doubled the sum total of Iger's 17+ years it still couldn't carry the jock strap of Eisner's first decade with a forklift.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You seem to be quibbling over the fact that expansion didn't happen until X. You know darned well I'm referring to Galaxy's Edge and Toy Story Land.
 
Enchanted was a masterpiece, BTW.

Both under the bar by many in a healthy debate around here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You seem to be quibbling over the fact that expansion didn't happen until X. You know darned well I'm referring to Galaxy's Edge and Toy Story Land.
 
Enchanted was a masterpiece, BTW.

No we don’t know because you’re playing all loosey-gooses with terms, timelines and involvement. You seem to never mean what you say.

 

[Eric M Blake]

No we don’t know because you’re playing all loosey-gooses with terms, timelines and involvement. You seem to never mean what you say.

Considering how you've seemed to love lashing out at everyone you're disagreeing with here (even before I showed up), I'm not exactly taking that accusation to heart.

Might want to take a breath, take a step back, and look at the big picture of what the other side's saying.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Considering how you've seemed to love lashing out at everyone you're disagreeing with here (even before I showed up), I'm not exactly taking that accusation to heart.

Might want to take a breath, take a step back, and look at the big picture of what the other side's saying.

The other side of what? You’re making statements about things that either happened or they didn’t.

 

[Eric M Blake]

The other side of what? You’re making statements about things that either happened or they didn’t.

Yes, like your constant "There's no ten year plan!" even though they've stated otherwise. Whatever. Moving on.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes, like your constant "There's no ten year plan!" even though they've stated otherwise. Whatever. Moving on.

Who stated this? Saying you plan to spend money doesn’t mean it is based on a specific plan as you claim or that it is tied to a fifth gate.

 

[HauntedPirate]

You seem to be quibbling over the fact that expansion didn't happen until X. You know darned well I'm referring to Galaxy's Edge and Toy Story Land.
 
Enchanted was a masterpiece, BTW.

TSL is a joke of value engineering. GE was grossly over-promised and under-built. And neither were built during Iger's first decade, which you yourself were talking about when comparing things to Eisner's first decade. Do you need a scorecard to keep track of your own shifting targets and arguments?

Enchanted was watchable, bordering on good.

What field are we on now? The goal posts have been moved so many times I've lost count.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Yes, like your constant "There's no ten year plan!" even though they've stated otherwise. Whatever. Moving on.

Please link to the statement of a 10-year plan. An actual plan, not "we plan to spend $xx billions over the next ten years". Those are simply words said to curry favor, not a plan.

 

[Eric M Blake]

Please link to the statement of a 10-year plan. An actual plan, not "we plan to spend $xx billions over the next ten years". Those are simply words said to curry favor, not a plan.

That's your argument that that's all it is. We'll see.

 

[J4546]

jesus this board has so much arguing among adults lol. Every thread turns into childish bs.

 

[Eric M Blake]

Neither were built during Iger's first decade, which you yourself were talking about when comparing things to Eisner's first decade.

See THIS argument is fair, and I concede that one point. The rest is nothing but opinion.

My point nonetheless still stands that Iger has had "on" periods and "off" periods. Was his "on" period on par with Eisner's? Not at all. But my points remains that he did give Imagineering a shot of energy it'd lost. And they've officially expressed, yes, *plans* for another shot--and that it'll be a bigger one.

Make what you will of it.

 

[Eric M Blake]

jesus this board has so much arguing among adults lol. Every thread turns into childish bs.

Well, I'm certainly trying to hold constructive discussions about what new parks and park expansions could look like.

If only people would hold off the unnecessary "Oh that's not gonna happen."

We'll see. In the meantime, Walt always cherished the imagination of possibilities. And he balked at anyone daring to lecture him on impossibility.

Regardless, moving along.