For a land most originally said they weren't interested in ................

csmat99

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i knew this thread would go to the toilet quickly LOL
by the way the TORUK show is one of the top grossing tours in the world this year, not bad for no one liking AVATAR
The issue with Avatar is it will be dependent on China to make it's money back. And you are talking about not just one sequel but 4. Not to get too political on the boards but with way things are changing with the WH I could see some issues with American movies playing in China few years down the road.
 

L.C. Clench

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I still don't think the excitement is because its Avatar. I think some of the things look cool but the draw is really that it's something new. It's the first new attraction for AK since 2007 which is just insane to think about. I'm pretty sure if they just built the same attractions themed around the Rescuers people would be just as excited. Ride through the swamps and fly on Orville and you'd draw the same interest.
 

BWK05

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We have a trip planned for early June to WDW. I'm sure we will walk through but have no huge desire to see this new land. I've never been excited about it and still feel the same way.
 

mergatroid

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No one cares to see these movies. So yes Disney can create this great land but they could of done that without the IP that no one cares about.

I'm not sure how you can say that no one cares to see these movies when the only one yet released was one of the top grossing films, it's like you're ignoring the facts and using 'guesses' to try to make a point?

I agree that Disney could have created a land based on an original theme if they'd wanted to, but again box office takings would suggest that some do care about the film. Any land done well would probably have worked, I wouldn't ague with that and it's not the connection with Avatar that excites me but rather the execution of the land itself. However I don't think that the connection with Avatar will harm it's appeal either, it is what it is.
 

Bob Harlem

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The environment and story for the movie was created to show off technology. Its a rather generic lush alien world with generic mineral "unobtanium" driving the story. But very beautiful.

The land is much the same, a theming showcase but still generic lush alien world that feels a bit contrived Potter was built to showcase a story first location and ties it in with instantly recognizable locations with total immersion (Diagon). Both are very cool, but one will have more of a familiarity to it than the other.

It is a great addition to DAK, but this still does not make it a full day park. RoL is also good but not great. I kinda fear star wars land may face the "generic star warsy" location feel rather than something truly familiar too. But it probably will have more going for it than Pandora.

"Finally something new since everest " is about the best description for any excitement for Pandora.
 
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PB Watermelon

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I did not see the movie (nor did I feel the need to). That being said, I'm very excited to see the land. I may even watch the movie before going just to get a frame of reference.
Yay! New stuff!!

There's four more films in the pipeline, so get used to new Avatar stuff.
 

mvieguy

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It certainly seems to have gained a lot of attention.

"I'm not interested in the movie so it shouldn't get a land"
"The film was rubbish, who'll want to see this"
"Nobody I know liked the film, crazy idea"
"Disney will mess it up, they always do"
"Yawn"
"Desperate to fight Universal and Potter, no chance of competing"

Were the type of things said by many when this land was announced on here (fair enough, it's all about opinions). Now there appears to be so much hope and anticipation for it which is strange after the initial claim the film wasn't good enough to interest people to visit a theme park.

So has anyone changed their mind since it was announced, or have the naysayers just stopped posting and the 'pixie dusters' taken over the sub forum. Go on, be honest?


Just to be fair, I was never a fan of "I Love Lucy" and still went into the Tribute at Universal. and while i know people are going to be shocked at this. I absolutely loathe Simpsons. yet still went on the ride.

Just because Someone doesnt like the IP that its based off of, doesnt mean they still wont visit it and attempt to be entertained for awhile
 

contrariwise

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Just to be fair, I was never a fan of "I Love Lucy" and still went into the Tribute at Universal. and while i know people are going to be shocked at this. I absolutely loathe Simpsons. yet still went on the ride.

Just because Someone doesnt like the IP that its based off of, doesnt mean they still wont visit it and attempt to be entertained for awhile

I agree with all this, but I just wanted to comment that your phrasing "attempt to be entertained for awhile" cracked me up.
 

mergatroid

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Just to be fair, I was never a fan of "I Love Lucy" and still went into the Tribute at Universal. and while i know people are going to be shocked at this. I absolutely loathe Simpsons. yet still went on the ride.

Just because Someone doesnt like the IP that its based off of, doesnt mean they still wont visit it and attempt to be entertained for awhile

And to be fair, I hate Harry Potter but love what Universal have done with the two lands. I wouldn't dream of purchasing any HP Merchandise and after being bored by the first movie have avoided all the sequels like the plague. That's actually my point, I believe if the land is done well that people will go regardless of what they think of the movie.
 
Well as far as Potter it's about 2 years too late. And no way will it compete because of the fact that you had a whole generation that grew up with Potter and loved the books and movies and when they went to Islands and Universal they did such a good job you had people crying and stood in awe of what they were seeing. Now SWL of course could do the same since you have multiple generations that grew up with SW. I don't feel Avatar has any business in AK doesn't matter now and i'm sure the rides will be great but not going to run on down there just to see this. You also have the problem of merchandise sales. There is not one character from the first movie that anyone remembers except for the drill sergeant. haha And the sequels are going to kill Cameron's career. You are going to see waterworld size level of losses. And you can thank Disney for that when they decided to move all the SW movies to December now. Avatar 2 was supposed to open in December now they pushed it to unknown date. No one cares to see these movies. So yes Disney can create this great land but they could of done that without the IP that no one cares about.
I agree- you're acting as if I think that avatar is as iconic as potter and as timeless as potter and has the staying power of potter. I think none of those things haha- simply stating I was 0% excited when they announced Pandora, and now I'm pretty excited. Sorry to ruin your day haha
 

Patcheslee

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Personally liked the Pandora world from the movie because I thought it would be a beautiful place to visit. TBO I didn't know Disney was building until last year because I never knew if we would even be able to go. DD8 finally saw the movie a week ago and thought it was "sparkly and cool". So we will see how Disney's version holds up in June.
 

truecoat

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Tonally and thematically it's still a disaster. It makes Disney's Animal Kingdom less coherent. It supplemented ideas and creativity that would have been striking and fit into Disney's Animal Kingdom.

The park is critically about the intersection of humanity with nature. Whether those are literal creatures roaming the Earth today, Dinosaurs kept alive by our fascination, or mythical beasts that are man's primitive understanding of nature.

Avatar will always be out of place, so long as Disney's Animal Kingdom is following its' ideals.

I'm not trying to start an argument but I was one who felt that was the story of the movie. How a former military man was shown another way His integration into the Na'vi gave him another view of the world and how nature is something to behold not just take advantage of. This is just my opinion.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Why do some people insist on pushing the narrative that Avatar isn't a well-liked movie? A movie simply does not become the highest grossing film of all time if people didn't enjoy it.

Any time something is super popular, certain people feel the need to put it down or emphasize that they did not in fact see this super popular movie that everyone else did (see also: Frozen). Yeah, we get it, you're not some sheep who sees and likes the same things everyone else does, you're so much cooler than everyone else /s.
 

Seabasealpha1

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I was initially quite irritated...however, it'll be cool to at least have something new come about...though, in hindsight...when they announced this, I feel like they were looking for a quick way to try and get a leg up on Pottersville over at Uni. They hadn't bought Star Wars yet...so...that's kinda hilarious in a way...I still feel like they're shoehorning something in that still has a lot to prove. Like...Jimmie Cameron still has yet to dole out a sequel and it's been several years since the first film came out...so...what'll they do if the films flop? You can only re-hash Ferngully and Pocahontas so many times... what'll they do if Fox pulls the plug on the licensing? That's an awful damned expensive project to have there if something doesn't work out like it's supposed to. And also, in retrospect, I find it amazing that they could pull their wallets out for a property that's not theirs, but that they couldn't manage to build "Beastly Kingdomme", a potential hit that could have been uniquely theirs...heck, they could have even cooked up some kind of movie franchise that would have made that section of the park more feasible. So...I dunno...I'm excited for something new. I think it'll be beautiful and fun... I'm extra proud of the imagineers for making some serious lemonade... But, I worry about the long term...it really may hinge on the films' ability to become relevant and part of the culture.

So...in total...I was less than thrilled. And I did my fair share of griping... but...I'm a little better with it now...though...cautiously so...I guess like anything else, I'll just enjoy it when I'm there...

Has to be better than a half-a**** cartoon campground with a Lion King show right?
 

DDLand

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I'm not trying to start an argument but I was one who felt that was the story of the movie. How a former military man was shown another way His integration into the Na'vi gave him another view of the world and how nature is something to behold not just take advantage of. This is just my opinion.
No no. You're fine.

Disney's Animal Kingdom is an in depth study of the human experience's facination with nature.

Dinosaurs are a reflection of our fascination with the untamed and wild. They were here and now are gone. The only thing keeping them alive is our curiosity.

Africa and Asia are the real and physical animals of today running up against society and humanity. Those areas tend to focus coexistence and learning to appreciate nature.

BK was representative of how man used to look at nature and make sense of a frightening world. Dragons, Unicorns, and Magic were all humanity's way of rationalizing a world that didn't make sense. Where stepping out in the woods could mean your doom. The weather could make or break you subsistence. Unexplained illness could ravage society.

That's how humanity viewed a more frightening and unexplainable world.

Avatar is an interesting case. In a way it's reflective of a fear that has consumed the public. A scenario of what if we wreck everything? What happens then? Resisting power in potentially violent ways is the solution the movie comes to.

This film isn't set on Earth, nor is it a celebration of mankind's cultural and physical run ins with nature. It's set as a distant far off place where lessons can be learned.

To the team's credit, they've been working overtime to make Avatar as Earthlike as possible. They brought a new level of depth and coherence to the franchise. I personally think one of the biggest winners of this land will be Cameron, who has had to sit down and hash out in depth how his world works. It's one thing to animate a fantasy rainforest, it's another to get down and ask how does it work?

Like I said, I still don't like it at Disney's Animal Kingdom nor do I think it fits. I do on the other hand obviously realize this will be one of the landmark lands in the world.

There's enough room for a middle ground, and that's where I stand. ;)
 

twebber55

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No no. You're fine.

Disney's Animal Kingdom is an in depth study of the human experience's facination with nature.

Dinosaurs are a reflection of our fascination with the untamed and wild. They were here and now are gone. The only thing keeping them alive is our curiosity.

Africa and Asia are the real and physical animals of today running up against society and humanity. Those areas tend to focus coexistence and learning to appreciate nature.

BK was representative of how man used to look at nature and make sense of a frightening world. Dragons, Unicorns, and Magic were all humanity's way of rationalizing a world that didn't make sense. Where stepping out in the woods could mean your doom. The weather could make or break you subsistence. Unexplained illness could ravage society.

That's how humanity viewed a more frightening and unexplainable world.

Avatar is an interesting case. In a way it's reflective of a fear that has consumed the public. A scenario of what if we wreck everything? What happens then? Resisting power in potentially violent ways is the solution the movie comes to.

This film isn't set on Earth, nor is it a celebration of mankind's cultural and physical run ins with nature. It's set as a distant far off place where lessons can be learned.

To the team's credit, they've been working overtime to make Avatar as Earthlike as possible. They brought a new level of depth and coherence to the franchise. I personally think one of the biggest winners of this land will be Cameron, who has had to sit down and hash out in depth how his world works. It's one thing to animate a fantasy rainforest, it's another to get down and ask how does it work?

Like I said, I still don't like it at Disney's Animal Kingdom nor do I think it fits. I do on the other hand obviously realize this will be one of the landmark lands in the world.

There's enough room for a middle ground, and that's where I stand. ;)
well said
 

rushtest4echo

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No no. You're fine.

Disney's Animal Kingdom is an in depth study of the human experience's facination with nature.

Dinosaurs are a reflection of our fascination with the untamed and wild. They were here and now are gone. The only thing keeping them alive is our curiosity.

Africa and Asia are the real and physical animals of today running up against society and humanity. Those areas tend to focus coexistence and learning to appreciate nature.

BK was representative of how man used to look at nature and make sense of a frightening world. Dragons, Unicorns, and Magic were all humanity's way of rationalizing a world that didn't make sense. Where stepping out in the woods could mean your doom. The weather could make or break you subsistence. Unexplained illness could ravage society.

That's how humanity viewed a more frightening and unexplainable world.

Avatar is an interesting case. In a way it's reflective of a fear that has consumed the public. A scenario of what if we wreck everything? What happens then? Resisting power in potentially violent ways is the solution the movie comes to.

This film isn't set on Earth, nor is it a celebration of mankind's cultural and physical run ins with nature. It's set as a distant far off place where lessons can be learned.

To the team's credit, they've been working overtime to make Avatar as Earthlike as possible. They brought a new level of depth and coherence to the franchise. I personally think one of the biggest winners of this land will be Cameron, who has had to sit down and hash out in depth how his world works. It's one thing to animate a fantasy rainforest, it's another to get down and ask how does it work?

Like I said, I still don't like it at Disney's Animal Kingdom nor do I think it fits. I do on the other hand obviously realize this will be one of the landmark lands in the world.

There's enough room for a middle ground, and that's where I stand. ;)

As Laurens would say: Let's get this guy in front of a crowd!

Not even sure why anyone else is debating (including me). You win.
 

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