For a land most originally said they weren't interested in ................

L.C. Clench

Well-Known Member
The best growth AK has had based on the TEA numbers was 8% in 2006 when Everest opened. AK did 4% growth in 2015. So I would say 8 to 10 percent would be good.
This isn't a single attraction but an entire land based around the most popular film of all time with the biggest fan base in the history of cinema. Shouldn't 10% be the minimum?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I'm a little fuzzy on my history:

So, John Smith helped the indigenous people of America completely drive out the British because they were able to harness the power of nature to overcome a technologically superior force and then he became a life long member of their tribe?
 

mergatroid

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Original Poster
This isn't a single attraction but an entire land based around the most popular film of all time with the biggest fan base in the history of cinema. Shouldn't 10% be the minimum?

It's strange but it always seems to me that those who don't like the movie are the ones who seem obsessed with the ticket sales and trying to say why they were so high. I only mention them in response to this idea that everyone who saw it hated it or only went because they were in China or loved 3D. When the land was announced it never crossed my mind about how many fans the film had or how many tickets it sold. From memory it was only seeing people unhappy with the idea on here who started to bring that subject up, others happy with the idea then responded.

But if you want to believe that all those looking forward to enjoying this land truly believe it's the most popular film ever made with the biggest fan base in the history of cinema then that's fine with me. I've seen far better films and enjoyed many others more but will hopefully enjoy the land for what it is, just as I do with HP at Universal.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
This isn't a single attraction but an entire land based around the most popular film of all time with the biggest fan base in the history of cinema. Shouldn't 10% be the minimum?

AK attendance has increased by 3.5 million since 2006, so and 8% now would be a larger attendance bump then it was in 2006.

I totally disagree about the fan base part, Star Wars and Harry Potter have much larger an devoted fan bases just to name two.
 

mergatroid

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Original Poster
AK attendance has increased by 3.5 million since 2006, so and 8% now would be a larger attendance bump then it was in 2006.

I totally disagree about the fan base part, Star Wars and Harry Potter have much larger an devoted fan bases just to name two.

I do believe he was attempting to be sarcastic.
 

L.C. Clench

Well-Known Member
It's strange but it always seems to me that those who don't like the movie are the ones who seem obsessed with the ticket sales and trying to say why they were so high. I only mention them in response to this idea that everyone who saw it hated it or only went because they were in China or loved 3D. When the land was announced it never crossed my mind about how many fans the film had or how many tickets it sold. From memory it was only seeing people unhappy with the idea on here who started to bring that subject up, others happy with the idea then responded.

But if you want to believe that all those looking forward to enjoying this land truly believe it's the most popular film ever made with the biggest fan base in the history of cinema then that's fine with me. I've seen far better films and enjoyed many others more but will hopefully enjoy the land for what it is, just as I do with HP at Universal.
You don't sign the licensing agreement to use the name if you don't think it's going to be a draw. Not saying that it can't be enjoyed if you didn't like to movie or haven't seen the movie but the money for the name was spent with the expectation it would significantly boost attendance and that was based on seeing the box office numbers for the first movie and the pitch it would be an ongoing franchise.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
im just not getting it
sorry
How about The Air up There?

With that said, the approach Disney is taking with Pandora has little to do with the plot of the original story and a lot more to do with the backstory/non-linear story of Pandora and Na'vi culture. There are a select group of people here that can't seem to (or are unwilling to) grasp that.

I said at the time and I'll say it again now, if Avatar didn't exist and Disney announced a collaboration with James Cameron to create a mystical world with made up creatures and plants we would all be 100% on board. The fact that we can tie it back to a movie with a predictable plot has affected many opinions of the project. The intellectual property lends itself to a very cool land and we're a month away from seeing if they delivered on the execution. If they did, it's conceivable that the physical land was actually a better medium for the story of the Na'vi and Pandora than the original Avatar movie.
 

twebber55

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How about The Air up There?

With that said, the approach Disney is taking with Pandora has little to do with the plot of the original story and a lot more to do with the backstory/non-linear story of Pandora and Na'vi culture. There are a select group of people here that can't seem to (or are unwilling to) grasp that.

I said at the time and I'll say it again now, if Avatar didn't exist and Disney announced a collaboration with James Cameron to create a mystical world with made up creatures and plants we would all be 100% on board. The fact that we can tie it back to a movie with a predictable plot has affected many opinions of the project. The intellectual property lends itself to a very cool land and we're a month away from seeing if they delivered on the execution. If they did, it's conceivable that the physical land was actually a better medium for the story of the Na'vi and Pandora than the original Avatar movie.
i know what he meant he was playing around because we ve heard the Pocahontas debate for 5 years:)
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
The best measure I can think of is a significant increase in AK attendance numbers in the first full year after opening, so the 2018 full year numbers.
I tend to agree. I remember the crowds for Asia's opening and Everest but year two it quieted down somewhat.

Any thoughts of why Disney keeps releasing new videos of Avatarland that are almost identical to the previous ones ie walk under big rock, family sits in boat and...cut....Then a week to ten days they release another and they just seem to be the same thing, not even edited very much. It tends to make me nervous that the landscaping is the what they are hyping.
 

mergatroid

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Original Poster
Seems to have gone into overdrive this weekend with invited media guests allowed in. Got some great reviews too though some could argue that the invited were all pro-disney? Looks extremely impressive and immersive nonetheless, oh and you can buy 'tails' to wear. Looking at it, I really don't think any normal person will be worrying about the films ticket sales whilst touring, just enjoying everything around them instead :cool:
 

Casper Gutman

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Seems to have gone into overdrive this weekend with invited media guests allowed in. Got some great reviews too though some could argue that the invited were all pro-disney? Looks extremely impressive and immersive nonetheless, oh and you can buy 'tails' to wear. Looking at it, I really don't think any normal person will be worrying about the films ticket sales whilst touring, just enjoying everything around them instead :cool:

But the question has never been will normal people enjoy it when they're their, it has always been will normal people plan trips to WDW specifically to experience Pandora - that's where the movies cultural footprint has always been an issue, and it still remains an open question.
 

mergatroid

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Original Poster
But the question has never been will normal people enjoy it when they're their, it has always been will normal people plan trips to WDW specifically to experience Pandora - that's where the movies cultural footprint has always been an issue, and it still remains an open question.

I don't think that's really an issue for Disney, though you seem to think it is. When they built the Tower of Terror do you think it's ability to attract people was down to 'The Twilight Zone's appeal to modern society or rather that there was something new and hopefully exciting built at Disney and people wanted to go?
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Seems to have gone into overdrive this weekend with invited media guests allowed in. Got some great reviews too though some could argue that the invited were all pro-disney? Looks extremely impressive and immersive nonetheless, oh and you can buy 'tails' to wear. Looking at it, I really don't think any normal person will be worrying about the films ticket sales whilst touring, just enjoying everything around them instead :cool:
There's no argument. These were hand picked to be pro-Disney and obedient with what they put out there.
 

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