Thanks phoenicians
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I get that you're talking about Super Nintendo World but which Disney attraction are you talking about? Or is it something we can't know about yet?
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For a land most originally said they weren't interested in ................
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ford91exploder
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Yep for Disneyland which I do expect to open on time, The SWL in Orlando yeah it will open but when is an open question...
matt9112
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For the record I was always interested in it. Also for the record poor choice overall.
Hopefully great execution and thus a great expansion but still....poor choice of IP .
if only Disney could come up with a drink people buy like crack because it's so yummmmy. Here's hoping.
Hopefully great execution and thus a great expansion but still....poor choice of IP .
if only Disney could come up with a drink people buy like crack because it's so yummmmy. Here's hoping.
Magenta Panther
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Big Hero 6 maybe?
Thanks phoenicians
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I'm thinking tron possibly. Martin mentioned over in the speedway thread that it was being considered just east of an overhauled speedway. It could also still be referring to whatever repleaces SGE
danlb_2000
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Ok so when it opens I think we all know there'll be some falling over each other to say how bad it is and how right they were to say it would be garbage originally. And to even things up, if it is terrible I'm sure there'll be some saying otherwise.
However what's a realistic time frame to judge how successful this land is, a few weeks, 6 months or a full year? Also what would constitute a success, a purely financial return, the quality of the land or just how busy it is number wise? Also do overseas visitors count as many don't count box office takings for the film in China for some bizarre reason
It is a challenging thing to measure, but you can be sure there will be people on the hate it side declaring it a failure and people on the love it side declaring it a success no matter what happens.
The best measure I can think of is a significant increase in AK attendance numbers in the first full year after opening, so the 2018 full year numbers.
so the question becomes what is considered success 10%, 15%?
danlb_2000
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The best growth AK has had based on the TEA numbers was 8% in 2006 when Everest opened. AK did 4% growth in 2015. So I would say 8 to 10 percent would be good.
Cmdr_Crimson
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Well it does seem a bit odd they got rid of a Pocahontas show in the spot that is now Pandora...Wonder if anyone's going to tell her that her story and the James Cameron film are pretty much the same plot over at the Character Landing...
i dont get it....Well it does seem a bit odd they got rid of a Pocahontas show in the spot that is now Pandora...Wonder if anyone's going to tell her that her story and the James Cameron film are pretty much the same plot over at the Character Landing...
Cmdr_Crimson
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The Plot of Disney's Pocahontas is Identical to Avatar... Plus the show Pocahontas and Her Forest Friends that was formerlly in Camp Minnie-Mickey sits where Pandora is now.....
seriously?
Casper Gutman
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You disagree?
Fox&Hound
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But that is where TDO is smart. You have Avatar, Rivers of Light, evening safari, and tree of life. People will stay well into the evening for at least one one those. These night offerings, plus the fact that the park is open later than it ever was, will change touring patterns. And you can bet that TDO will attribute those numbers to one thing- Avatar. It's a win/win. I still think one more big family friendly E-ticket would seal the deal and keep guests happy well into the night, but overall, I think this will be a hit for Disney.
No Name
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I don't know how to measure the land's success.
Do I think it will draw a lot of new people to the park? It's not a guaranteed hit like SWL, but I believe that attendance will rise by a few percentage points. So in that regard, I'm unsure, but I think Pandora will be successful.
Do I think it will relieve congestion, make the park better, etc.? Of course. Here, Pandora is destined to be a success.
However, I don't think merchandise will sell well. Even if it does, it won't be enough to justify the royalty that Disney has to pay to JC and crew. So in this regard, Pandora is destined to be a failure.
Lots of people will use different metrics to make their case. I don't think any person will be right or wrong, but as with anything, people will insist that they are right and the opposition is wrong.
I wouldn't say the plots are identical, but they sure are quite similar.
I never thought about it, but I do find it ironic that this is taking over the place where the Pocahontas show was. And that side-by-side picture above is golden.
Do I think it will draw a lot of new people to the park? It's not a guaranteed hit like SWL, but I believe that attendance will rise by a few percentage points. So in that regard, I'm unsure, but I think Pandora will be successful.
Do I think it will relieve congestion, make the park better, etc.? Of course. Here, Pandora is destined to be a success.
However, I don't think merchandise will sell well. Even if it does, it won't be enough to justify the royalty that Disney has to pay to JC and crew. So in this regard, Pandora is destined to be a failure.
Lots of people will use different metrics to make their case. I don't think any person will be right or wrong, but as with anything, people will insist that they are right and the opposition is wrong.
I wouldn't say the plots are identical, but they sure are quite similar.
I never thought about it, but I do find it ironic that this is taking over the place where the Pocahontas show was. And that side-by-side picture above is golden.
so what you guys are saying is the movie Pocahontas and Avatar are similar?
i dont see it..
I believe they mean the basis of the story? You know like you could say about many movies. Man meets woman and decides he likes her and they date and fall in love, man sees wife killed so decides to get revenge and goes after killer and kills him, girl leaves town to become famous and after many hurdles succeeds, or house is haunted so mediums come in and battle the demons. Many films use similar plots but are different enough to be declared original in their own right.
I'm sure if you went to rent Avatar not remembering the title and described it to the guy behind the counter that there's zero chance he'd say "Oh yes, you must mean Pocahontas it's third shelf down, second on the left"
Casper Gutman
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I believe they mean the basis of the story? You know like you could say about many movies. Man meets woman and decides he likes her and they date and fall in love, man sees wife killed so decides to get revenge and goes after killer and kills him, girl leaves town to become famous and after many hurdles succeeds, or house is haunted so mediums come in and battle the demons. Many films use similar plots but are different enough to be declared original in their own right.
I'm sure if you went to rent Avatar not remembering the title and described it to the guy behind the counter that there's zero chance he'd say "Oh yes, you must mean Pocahontas it's third shelf down, second on the left"
Colonizers arrive, oppress Native American stereotypes. Dashing colonizer falls in love with chief's spirited daughter, sides with natives when colonizers, driven mad by promise of rare resources, attack. A magical tree features heavily in both.
This is not a unique observation. A lot of critics have made it, both at the time of Avatar's release and after. The film has a very familiar plot.
Honestly, you can still enjoy the land without trying to argue the film isn't derivative.
im just not getting it
sorry
L.C. Clench
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I'm sure if you went to rent Avatar not remembering the title and described it to the guy behind the counter that there's zero chance he'd say "Oh yes, you must mean Pocahontas it's third shelf down, second on the left"
But he might say "we don't carry Ferngully anymore".