First winners of the 'Suite Dreams' announced

Laura

Laura

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Premium Member
Shaman said:
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I guess its better than a Tigger "grab" :lookaroun :lol: ....

So anyway.... "who" do I have to "speak" with to "win" a "stay" at the stuite? :lookaroun

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OMG! :lol:

Well, remember those days when you were employed by the Cubans to hack into top secret US Government computers? *hint hint*
 
daverube

daverube

Active Member
Enderikari said:
::clears throat:: First, the Disney Official Rules

3.WINNER SELECTION & VERIFICATION PROCESS



# IMPORTANT: ANY PERSON ATTEMPTING TO DEFRAUD SPONSOR IN ANY WAY IN CONNECTION WITH THIS GIVEAWAY WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED UNDER THE LAW. ANY ATTEMPT BY A PARTICIPANT OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL TO DAMAGE OR UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMATE OPERATION OF THE GIVEAWAY MAY BE A VIOLATION OF CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAWS AND SHOULD SUCH AN ATTEMPT BE MADE, SPONSOR RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SEEK DAMAGES FROM ANY SUCH INDIVIDUAL TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW.
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Thanks for the sweepstakes rules. Even though the rules contain a fraud clause, this does not mean that the selection of individual prize winners are not deliberate instead of random. It only means that the Sponsor (you didn't include the definitions, but I assume the Sponsor is Disney) may have a cause of action against anyone attempting to defraud said Sponsor. However, if Disney is the defrauder, why would they care? Would Disney's deliberate selection of winning parties give any other guest a cause of action?? We all know that anyone can sue anybody for any reason. As such, in the end, it doesn't really matter. It's not like this is the Powerball or some other state-based lottery.

Reading the rules and the fraud clause does nothing to change my mind that the selection wasn't random.

Go on and on if you want.....you won't change my mind.

Thanks for the fun, though.

"Dave"
 
Enderikari

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
daverube said:
I guess you don't believe in the America where everyone gets to think and believe what they want, even if it is differs from what you believe in your heart of hearts. That's sad.
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Ignoring the rest of your post, which is problematic assumptions at best.. Let's focus on this...

You are absolutely right, you can believe whatever you want to believe, and nothing I can do will alter that if you are firmly set in your beliefs, well done... You can believe that 2 + 2 = 5, and as long as you fail to listen to reasonable arguments, your worldview will never change... But the reality remains that there is certain things, known as facts, that are true, whether or not you believe them. Beliefs can be wrong, no matter what foggy-headed reasoning you want to put behind them. What I find sad is when someone holds onto a belief to the point of being beyond ludicrously stubborn, to being absolutely insane in its literal meaning.

This will be my last post directed towards you. I have already put forth too much effort to show you the real world. To put it simply, you are not worth my time.
 
STGRhost

STGRhost

Member
daverube , wannab@dis found some of the information you asked for.

Yes, it's Disney's contest, but the state of Florida's own statute 849.094 specifically states:
It is unlawful for any operator:
(a) To design, engage in, promote, or conduct such a game
promotion, in connection with the promotion or sale of consumer
products or services, wherein the winner may be predetermined
or the game may be manipulated or rigged so as to:
1. Allocate a winning game or any portion thereof to certain
lessees, agents, or franchises; or
2. Allocate a winning game or part thereof to a particular period
of the game promotion or to a particular geographic area;
(b) Arbitrarily to remove, disqualify, disallow, or reject any entry;
(c) To fail to award prizes offered;
(d) To print, publish, or circulate literature or advertising
material used in connection with such game promotions which is
false, deceptive, or misleading; or
(e) To require an entry fee, payment, or proof of purchase as a
condition of entering a game promotion.
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The bold is mine, but I believe that's what you are looking for. Or are you so stubborn you refuse to acknowledge that there are real, legal ramifications if Disney does not follow the rules of this contest?
 
daverube

daverube

Active Member
STGRhost said:
daverube , wannab@dis found some of the information you asked for.

Yes, it's Disney's contest, but the state of Florida's own statute 849.094 specifically states:


The bold is mine, but I believe that's what you are looking for. Or are you so stubborn you refuse to acknowledge that there are real, legal ramifications if Disney does not follow the rules of this contest?
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Finally, somebody pulls out the statutes. Thanks STGRhost!! Although I'm not a licensed Florida attorney, I did, perchance, look up Title 46, Chapter 849 of the Florida Code. You can find it here: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVI#TitleXLVI

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to read the whole thing right now....but in short, let me point out that Chapter 849 relates to Gambling crimes. The title of section 849.094 is "Game Promotion in connection with the sale of consumer products or services." I'd have to look into it more, but I don't think Disney is selling a product or service in the YOAMD sweepstakes....as I understand it, you can apply for YOAMD free online. If this is correct, I don't believe that this section will cover the current Disney sweepstakes. This might seem like I'm splitting hairs, but that's the way the statute reads. As such, I'm still not convinced.

I'd have to read up on it some more to give a better answer, but as I said, I don't have the time right now.....in fact, I really don't have the desire....when I'm home, I like to do things that are totally unrelated to my line of work. :)

Thanks again for passing on the law, though. This was much more useful than the earlier posts. Maybe someone out there with some knowledge of the Florida Code will be able to shed light on whether the YOAMD sweepstakes is a game promotion as defined under 849.094.

dave
 
M

magicMLV

New Member
Maybe they selected not so randomly an American nuclear family and escorted them to "seat eight in the second row of Simulator 4 of the Disney-MGM Studios' Star Tours attraction at 9:50 a.m. Thursday." What was the chance of Simulator 4 operating at 9:50a.m ? Serioulsy, the debate is very interesting considering the legal issues and the need for PR folks to cast the winning family for the press event. I guess the issue generated long meetings at the mouse house.
 
PlutoInOrlando

PlutoInOrlando

Active Member
In the Parks
Yes
Just sounds like we have a couple of:

"Bitter - party of one?" tables around here.

Or is it just me????:brick:


OH...
Here's a thought -
Why don't we wait till June during Gay Days - when there are more "boyfriends" in the parks than there are, and I quote, "normal, average families" visiting. Then lets see who is randomly picked to stay in the castle.

Just think of how we would do a "make over" for the suite then! :lol:
**yes that was sarcasim** but, well - wait! Or was it!?!?!?!?:lookaroun
 
coastermaster83

coastermaster83

Member
NO COMMENT ON POSTS 73 and 74
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Rob562

Rob562

Well-Known Member
daverube said:
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to read the whole thing right now....but in short, let me point out that Chapter 849 relates to Gambling crimes. The title of section 849.094 is "Game Promotion in connection with the sale of consumer products or services." I'd have to look into it more, but I don't think Disney is selling a product or service in the YOAMD sweepstakes....as I understand it, you can apply for YOAMD free online. If this is correct, I don't believe that this section will cover the current Disney sweepstakes. This might seem like I'm splitting hairs, but that's the way the statute reads. As such, I'm still not convinced.
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Just about *any* contest in this country falls under the definition of "Game Promotion in connection with the sale of consumer products or services". This is all of those "Buy gas at Dinoco and be automatically entered", or "Get a Monopoly piece on every drink cup at McDonalds" type of games. And actually, you're mistaken about the sale part, Disney *is* selling something: Admission into the parks. To be one of the winners, *most* eligible locations for the contest are within parks where you have to have paid admission to be there. (Though there's also Downtown Disney). In this case, you get an entry into the contest simply by paying your admission and entering the park. Within the park, you have the same chance as anyone else of being in the randomly selected locations.

But, here's where other parts of the law come in. Every one of these "entry with purchase" contests includes a "for free entry without purchase" way of entering. That is laid out in the Florida law cited:

"(2) It is unlawful for any operator:
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(e) To require an entry fee, payment, or proof of purchase as a condition of entering a game promotion."​

That's where the mail-in entries come in. If you can't get to Florida, or you don't want to pay to enter the parks, you can enter by mailing a postcard in. Sometimes, the computer will randomly select "mail-in entry" as a winning "location". That prize is then awarded to a mail-in entry received on that particular date. (You can read through the official rules about the specifics like how they handle a mail-in winner selected on a Sunday or other day with no mail delivery. They were very thorough) If the prize awarded to a mail-in entry is time-sensitive (like the same-day Castle Suite stay or same-day Dream FastPass), the mail-in winner will get a prize worth the same ARV of the prize they really would have won.

The other thing is *how* they award the prizes. There have been posts from people who are on the Dream Squad (or know people who are). For most of the prizes, the computer just tells them the location and its specifics, and an envelope number. The prize (or rather I'm assuming a card with the prize lsited) is sealed inside. The envelope isn't opened until it's awarded. And because this is all being handled by the outside contest firm (Creata, www.creata.com), even Disney doesn't know where or when the prize will be awarded. And the major prizes aren't revealed at the winning location. Major prize winners are brought backstage or asked to go to Guest Relations where the prize is revealed. (This also helps negate nearby Guests' "it could have been me" reactions)

-Rob
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daverube

daverube

Active Member
Rob562 said:
Just about *any* contest in this country falls under the definition of "Game Promotion in connection with the sale of consumer products or services". This is all of those "Buy gas at Dinoco and be automatically entered", or "Get a Monopoly piece on every drink cup at McDonalds" type of games. And actually, you're mistaken about the sale part, Disney *is* selling something: Admission into the parks. To be one of the winners, *most* eligible locations for the contest are within parks where you have to have paid admission to be there. (Though there's also Downtown Disney). In this case, you get an entry into the contest simply by paying your admission and entering the park. Within the park, you have the same chance as anyone else of being in the randomly selected locations.

But, here's where other parts of the law come in. Every one of these "entry with purchase" contests includes a "for free entry without purchase" way of entering. That is laid out in the Florida law cited:
"(2) It is unlawful for any operator:
​
(e) To require an entry fee, payment, or proof of purchase as a condition of entering a game promotion."​

That's where the mail-in entries come in.


-Rob
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Thanks Rob. I appreciate the insight.

dave
 
MickeyTigg

MickeyTigg

New Member
coastermaster83 said:
NO COMMENT ON POSTS 73 and 74 :sohappy:
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Because neither one was relavant.

Rob562 said:
Just about *any* contest in this country falls under the definition of "Game Promotion in connection with the sale of consumer products or services". This is all of those "Buy gas at Dinoco and be automatically entered", or "Get a Monopoly piece on every drink cup at McDonalds" type of games. And actually, you're mistaken about the sale part, Disney *is* selling something: Admission into the parks. To be one of the winners, *most* eligible locations for the contest are within parks where you have to have paid admission to be there. (Though there's also Downtown Disney). In this case, you get an entry into the contest simply by paying your admission and entering the park. Within the park, you have the same chance as anyone else of being in the randomly selected locations.
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See...I don't believe any of these contests is truly on the up and up. I have no doubt that the contests are skewed to reward loyal customers and certain demographics. These contests are for marketing not because the companies feel like giving things away, so they're going to make sure a certain percent of winners benefit the marketing of the product or company.

Just to clear up again what I stated a few days ago...

I don't believe the entire giveaway is skewed...just the initial winners of the high profile prizes. I have no doubt that there will be people that don't fit the "model" winning the Castle Stay at some point, but it came as no surprise to me that the "First Family to Win a Night in the Castle" fit the mold...none at all.

I just find it odd that they've given away two high profile dreams and both families fit the marketing mold.

Maybe I'm wrong...but until someone from Hell's Angels or a childless couple or a gay or lesbian couple win a prize like the DVC Award or the Trip to All the Disney Parks Around the World, I'm not convinced that I am wrong.

No one from Disney that "really" knows is going to say that I'm right even if I am.

I'm done discussing this....so carry on.
 

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