First Visit to MK: Disneylander Documentation

Disney Analyst

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@raven24 imagine me, a spoiled Canadian with glorious fresh BC water that tastes like the sweetest nectar…

Living in Orlando for the summer in 2013, doing my ICP, and trying the Florida water for the first time… I about died. Showering in it… the smell.. the taste.

My best tip, as I worked in Fantasyland and Tomorrowland, all the old areas are gross water, but New Fantasyland was improved upon, ask for a water at Gaston’s, it tastes normal.
 

brb1006

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I’m glad you mentioned this because it’s one of the biggest things I miss when at World, I love how the characters are just walking around at DL, you never know who you might run in to. It’s magical.

For sure. I love that about DL, too. I couldn’t believe we didn’t even see characters with handlers yesterday. No one was out. Maybe it was because of the weather.
There actually was a time, when Walt Disney World used to allow characters to wander around the parks (as seen in various home videos of WDW during the 70s, 80s, and early 1990s) before Mickey's Birthdayland completely changed the idea.
 

brb1006

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THey gave up on roving characters long ago…crowds made it Impossible

That’s one way Disneyland is always better now
Heck, some of Disney's overseas parks (mainly Tokyo Disney Resort) follows the Disneyland approach with the characters. I can't get enough of Tokyo Disneyland's meet and greets videos because how much fun the characters are interacting with guests. Something that is missed dearly at WDW.
 

Animaniac93-98

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The only land I feel the need to discuss is Main Street. I personally am no fan of the taller buildings. I’ve said this already, but I prefer the small scale of Disneyland, with the shorter Main Street, smaller castle, and Matterhorn looming in the back. My biggest issue with Main Street was the corporate feeling. It’s present in DL as well, but much more so in MK. We walked into the “magic shop” and not only was there no CM performing magic tricks, but there were was no magic-themed merchandise to purchase. The Main Street Cinema was not actually showcasing any media. It was another store. Pretty sure I didn’t see a Penny Arcade either. I know there’s a barber shop, which is really cool, but this Main Street felt less like an actual main street, even less so than DL. I’ve heard there aren’t many very many Main Street vehicles out at MK. Not sure how true that is.

Main Street used to have a real Magic Shop, Cinema, a Penny Arcade, The Walt Disney Story and more unique stores. Center Street also used to go on both sides, but the West was filled in by an expansion of Emporium in 2001. The vehicles tend to run in the morning and stop around lunch time. There also used to be more trees.

Like much of WDW it's a shell of its former self.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Heck, some of Disney's overseas parks (mainly Tokyo Disney Resort) follows the Disneyland approach with the characters.
Probably because Bob Iger didn’t sit mostly on his for 16 years while the attendance went from 45,000,000 to 55,000,000 annually with no net gains of attractions during that whole time?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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I highly disagree, especially with Space.

Space Mountain in anaheim is all dropping with left turns and the ride has no personality. MK one has actual theming and fun track layouts. It's an absolute blast.
It’s 46 years old, rough (not in a cyclone kinda “good” way) and mostly uncomfortable to anyone who is more than about 5’9” and/or 150 lbs…

…but I tend to be a stickler on such things.

Different strokes for folks 👍🏻
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I wish I had known about the water before arriving. I know for next time I’m in Florida, whenever that’ll be.

My friend and I agreed to go to MK because the style of the park is what we’re most familiar with and it was what we wanted to see the most. It was a side trip, we were in Florida for a friend’s bachelorette. Not sure if or when I’ll return to WDW.
Understood.

Did I mention that Epcot was the greatest amusement park ever conceived/built?

If ever you were to find yourself there…I’ll bankroll your drinks around the world 😎
 

Animaniac93-98

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MK's layout and buildings remained largely unchanged between 1975 and 2000. Yes, they added things like Birthdayland [now Storybook Circus] and Splash Mountain, but overall it looked basically the same from the outside.

This century has seen the most visible cosmetic changes to the park, starting with adding the Magic Carpets to Adventureland and removing half of Center Street in 2001, removing the 20K lagoon in 2004 (10 years after the ride stopped operating) the Fantasyland expansion of 2009-2014, the hub redo later in the 2010s etc. It's alarming after so many decades of minor tweaks to see the park change in a more noticeable way...and now we have TRON oddly grafted onto the side of Tomorrowland.

The stylistic differences between old and new MK are quite stark and I think even first timers can notice them.
 

PiratesMansion

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Final thoughts: This will likely be broken into multiple posts, as I’m doing this from my phone and will be heading home today. It would be easier on a laptop, but my thoughts are still fresh, so it’s best if I get them out now. Please bear with me. Also, I apologize for any grammar/spelling mistakes in advance.

I want to preface by saying that my friend and I are both previous Disneyland attractions CMs. She worked in Tomorrowland and I worked in Fantasyland. We were roommates during our Disney College Program semester in 2011. Something we discussed on the way to MK is our change in perspective after being CMs. Going to any Disney park has never been the same since being CMs. We look at things much differently and are quick to notice things that regular guests don’t think about. Some of the things we liked and disliked about the park have a lot to do with the previous CM perspective.

Weather: It was UNBEARABLY hot when we went. I was concerned about arriving in the evening, but I’m so glad we did. I wouldn’t have lasted long had we gone earlier. The humidity is unpleasant and I was concerned about rain. Thankfully, it didn’t rain. Florida and weather in general is something else.

Parking: The entrance parking lot CM was amazing. I told her we were from California and I think she heard my friend and I compare the parking fees to Disneyland’s (general parking at MK is $25, preferred is $50 (!) and Disneyland’s is $35). I asked for general parking and not only did she give us preferred, but I checked my bank account after we left and realized she didn’t charge me at all. Amazing service! I wish I had gotten her name, as I would have given her a compliment at City Hall.

Parking can be very confusing here. There are no big signs telling you where you’re parked. We parked and weren’t even sure if we were in preferred parking. My friend and I looked around and couldn’t tell what character we were parked with and had to ask a CM where we were. We noticed this on the way out as well. There weren’t enough signs directing people where to go and we had to get off two trams because they weren’t going where we assumed/guessed they were going. There were also very few exits signs. We had to ask a security guard how to get out and she kindly got in her car and guided us out. We saw two small exits signs on the way out. We would have been lost had it not been for her. Other than those things, parking in general was fine. Speaking of security, the process is MUCH better and quicker at WDW.

From parking to entrance: Wow. It takes a long time to get inside the park. We parked, nearly took a tram, walked, took a Monorail, walked a bit more, then finally walked through the park entrance. As someone who’s used to Disneyland, this was tiring. I took for granted just how easy it is to get around Disneyland. The parks sit right across from each other, street entrance is super easy and convenient, and parking isn’t as far away. It took us 27 minutes to get to our car once we left MK. That’s enough time to watch an episode of Seinfeld lol.

To be continued…
Florida weather is a nightmare this time of year. I was fortunate enough to have a week off in October that I used to do Halloween events around Orlando and it was unbelievable how much more pleasant it was. Not California by any stretch, but much less punishing.

It is weird that they don't have parking signs up on poles the way every other theme park in the universe does. There are row numbers when you get out by the tram stop, but it can definitely be confusing at times (particularly MK with the Heroes and Villains lots, etc). Otherwise, once you know the system it's fairly intuitive and I find it very easy to park and get around WDW parking lots with minimal issues.
I hate to use this analogy because I don’t want to sound shallow or uppity, but it reminded me of the “Wal-Mart shopper” look. My friend and I put on a fell face of makeup, for example. Others didn’t, which was totally fine. Just different.
You are far from the first person to say that and you won't be the last. Perhaps it's the weather, perhaps it's who goes, but it's very pronounced.
I’m currently at Disney Springs and it’s leagues better than DtD. DtD has been a joke for a while already, but this makes it even more of a joke.
Disney Springs has done something miraculous-it makes me actually want to spend time in an area primarily dedicated to shopping! I love how it's fairly easy to get into and out of, it has great restaurants (and better prices than the restaurants in the parks and hotels), and it was teeming with far more genuine life and energy than Magic Kingdom was back when I visited in October.

As someone who has far too many Disney gift cards, I also appreciate that unlike DL, every restaurant at DS and throughout the resort, whether or not Disney owns it, will take Disney gift cards for payment.
Continuing on…

Cindy Castle: She is very majestic and tall, that’s for sure. But she’s not as tall as I thought she would be. I’ve heard from countless people how tall it is, and I guess I’m my mind I pictured something too tall. Still, it’s beautiful. I wish I could have seen it in its traditional color scheme. The mural is so stunning.

The only land I feel the need to discuss is Main Street. I personally am no fan of the taller buildings. I’ve said this already, but I prefer the small scale of Disneyland, with the shorter Main Street, smaller castle, and Matterhorn looming in the back. My biggest issue with Main Street was the corporate feeling. It’s present in DL as well, but much more so in MK. We walked into the “magic shop” and not only was there no CM performing magic tricks, but there were was no magic-themed merchandise to purchase. The Main Street Cinema was not actually showcasing any media. It was another store. Pretty sure I didn’t see a Penny Arcade either. I know there’s a barber shop, which is really cool, but this Main Street felt less like an actual main street, even less so than DL. I’ve heard there aren’t many very many Main Street vehicles out at MK. Not sure how true that is. There were no characters out on Main Street either.

Speaking of characters, we didn’t see a single one during our visit yesterday. They had all disappeared by the time we arrived. I was expecting to see Mickey and the gang at night on Main Street, like at Disneyland, but they were not there. Thought that was interesting.

To be continued…
100% agree on Main Street. You probably didn't have a lot of time to really register a ton of details about the other lands, but I prefer Main Street and Fantasyland at Disneyland, and Frontierland and Tomorrowland at Magic Kingdom. DL's Adventureland has Indy but I really enjoy the unique take on Adventureland at MK that didn't really make it to any of the other parks.

It is 100% SOP for characters to be behind literal walls or paywalls (ex. character dining) at WDW, and because of that there's this weird frenzied character demand that is quite unlike that of DL or at most of the other parks around the world. They're 100% commodified because the parks don't have enough rides.
 

brb1006

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Main Street used to have a real Magic Shop, Cinema, a Penny Arcade, The Walt Disney Story and more unique stores. Center Street also used to go on both sides, but the West was filled in by an expansion of Emporium in 2001. The vehicles tend to run in the morning and stop around lunch time. There also used to be more trees.

Like much of WDW it's a shell of its former self.
If you want more proof on how WDW used to actual deliver. Please visit RetroWDW.com (known as @wdwms on this site) where they have tons of videos showing WDW during it's infancy with tons of home videos from older guests. Those guys deserves more love!
 

mickEblu

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MK's layout and buildings remained largely unchanged between 1975 and 2000. Yes, they added things like Birthdayland [now Storybook Circus] and Splash Mountain, but overall it looked basically the same from the outside.

This century has seen the most visible cosmetic changes to the park, starting with adding the Magic Carpets to Adventureland and removing half of Center Street in 2001, removing the 20K lagoon in 2004 (10 years after the ride stopped operating) the Fantasyland expansion of 2009-2014, the hub redo later in the 2010s etc. It's alarming after so many decades of minor tweaks to see the park change in a more noticeable way...and now we have TRON oddly grafted onto the side of Tomorrowland.

The stylistic differences between old and new MK are quite stark and I think even first timers can notice them.

I saw a Mickey Views blog the other day and I couldn’t believe how much of that big blue Tron box was exposed. How are they ok with this?
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Florida weather is a nightmare this time of year. I was fortunate enough to have a week off in October that I used to do Halloween events around Orlando and it was unbelievable how much more pleasant it was. Not California by any stretch, but much less punishing.

It is weird that they don't have parking signs up on poles the way every other theme park in the universe does. There are row numbers when you get out by the tram stop, but it can definitely be confusing at times (particularly MK with the Heroes and Villains lots, etc). Otherwise, once you know the system it's fairly intuitive and I find it very easy to park and get around WDW parking lots with minimal issues.

You are far from the first person to say that and you won't be the last. Perhaps it's the weather, perhaps it's who goes, but it's very pronounced.

Disney Springs has done something miraculous-it makes me actually want to spend time in an area primarily dedicated to shopping! I love how it's fairly easy to get into and out of, it has great restaurants (and better prices than the restaurants in the parks and hotels), and it was teeming with far more genuine life and energy than Magic Kingdom was back when I visited in October.

As someone who has far too many Disney gift cards, I also appreciate that unlike DL, every restaurant at DS and throughout the resort, whether or not Disney owns it, will take Disney gift cards for payment.

100% agree on Main Street. You probably didn't have a lot of time to really register a ton of details about the other lands, but I prefer Main Street and Fantasyland at Disneyland, and Frontierland and Tomorrowland at Magic Kingdom. DL's Adventureland has Indy but I really enjoy the unique take on Adventureland at MK that didn't really make it to any of the other parks.

It is 100% SOP for characters to be behind literal walls or paywalls (ex. character dining) at WDW, and because of that there's this weird frenzied character demand that is quite unlike that of DL or at most of the other parks around the world. They're 100% commodified because the parks don't have enough rides.

Is the Orlando weather any better in March or April?
 

Californian Elitist

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Original Poster
@raven24 imagine me, a spoiled Canadian with glorious fresh BC water that tastes like the sweetest nectar…

Living in Orlando for the summer in 2013, doing my ICP, and trying the Florida water for the first time… I about died. Showering in it… the smell.. the taste.

My best tip, as I worked in Fantasyland and Tomorrowland, all the old areas are gross water, but New Fantasyland was improved upon, ask for a water at Gaston’s, it tastes normal.
The water I had yesterday literally tasted like someone farted into the water cooler. I was appalled.

I don’t know how you did it! I’ll have to remember Gaston’s if I go a second time. Thank you.
 

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