Does this mean that once these things are anchored in the lagoon they won't be moved on and off stage daily like previous barges? One of the things to appreciate about EF is the relatively clean and low profile show set. The Maxi barges were not small either, really. I think it was always a plus that ROE didn't come onstage until the early evening, leaving the lagoon open most of the day.
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Final Performance of 'Illuminations : RoE' Fan Meetup - Imagination Pavilion Gardens : Sept-30th 2pm-3pm
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Does this mean that once these things are anchored in the lagoon they won't be moved on and off stage daily like previous barges? One of the things to appreciate about EF is the relatively clean and low profile show set. The Maxi barges were not small either, really. I think it was always a plus that ROE didn't come onstage until the early evening, leaving the lagoon open most of the day.
DreamfinderGuy
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I know someone who would continuously leave the park at about 8:30 and refuse to watch it. Same person is now acting emotionally devastated that it’s gone, which really shows how hollow some of this fandom is.
brickbuilder711
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For them to waste no time ripping up the Earth Globe... that hurts a little.
Hopefully there is some salvation for it but it doesn't look likely. The barge seemingly will likely transform to the central barge in HarmUS.
Hopefully there is some salvation for it but it doesn't look likely. The barge seemingly will likely transform to the central barge in HarmUS.
The Empress Lilly
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The crowds weren't there for Universe and the GMR either. Nor the guest satisfaction scores. Two years later the removal of the GMR is considered sacrilege by fandom.
I do feel a near tangible disconnect between myself, and many reading this as well, versus the crowd at large. In what we visit and admire and are there for. In EPCOT maybe more than anywhere else.
DreamfinderGuy
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Sure as heck wasn't my fault. Ellen and GMR were always must dos for me whenever I went. Often multiple times in Ellen's case.
brb1006
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Don Dorsey was also responsible for the "Three act structure" for RoE.
For ROE to have lasted exactly 20 years, this must have been a slow drip of a decline right? I've been on this site since at least 2000, We all know ROE is the Epcot Standard. Surely WSL must have had good numbers on 10PM F&W nights, POE nights.... Granted July 4th, POE, NYE prob doesn't pay the year's bills but those were ROE's finest nights!!!!!! Don't forget Epcot's 25th, 30th, 35th!
Does Epcot count the people watching ROE/EF from the FW edges or the FW-WSL Bride? The FW-WSL Bridge is where I saw ROE in 2013 so I wasn't in the middle of the WSL crowd going to the
Parking Lot/ Monorail..
FigmentJedi
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Something something, people taking things for granted when they've made it very clear you can't do that anymore since at least Maelstrom.
Crazydisneyfanluke
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He should have been.
Epcot82Guy
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I would like to request that we not talk about what Epcot Forever could have been.
Because if I start crying at work, my colleagues will look at me funny...
Tom Morrow
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Structuring the show into acts is one of many reasons Reflections of Earth is more endearing and emotionally impactful than basically any other show. Many complained over the extended portion of the second act where the globe was essentially the only visual. They called it boring. While I always wished for some visual enhancements to this segment beyond the fountains, it never bothered me - it served to first give a dramatic silence following the explosive opening. It gave viewers a moment to reflect on the meaning of the show. Most importantly, it built up anticipation for the incredible third act.
All the other current shows lack such a strong emphasis on act structure and pacing. Happily Ever After is pretty good but like everything else these days it is structured like “Visual bombardment!!! - pause in action - visual bombardment!!! - pause in action.”
I haven’t seen Epcot Forever yet but I suspect it is more of the same. The Star Wars show at Studios is similar. World of Color is the same. Universal’s lagoon show is the worst of this - no pacing, no build up, just a series of segments that don’t feel connected at all and could be easily swapped out for different ones without impacting anything.
Pacing is super important in theme park entertainment.
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Agree with Tom's sentiments above.
One of the many brilliant aspects of RoE was the 'acts' and how the Show did indeed tell a story through those acts.
And a grand, inspiring story at that.
It was presented at a level your typical 'once in lifetime' visiting Guest didn't fully grasp intellectually, as so many people did not realize it was telling a story to begin with.
But it was there for those looking for it and paying attention.
Each segment representing a different chapter in the story of the development of the planet, life upon it, and humanities quest.
This is what makes EPCOT....'Epcot'.
Not clip shows full of random 'Disney movie moments'.
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One of the many brilliant aspects of RoE was the 'acts' and how the Show did indeed tell a story through those acts.
And a grand, inspiring story at that.
It was presented at a level your typical 'once in lifetime' visiting Guest didn't fully grasp intellectually, as so many people did not realize it was telling a story to begin with.
But it was there for those looking for it and paying attention.
Each segment representing a different chapter in the story of the development of the planet, life upon it, and humanities quest.
This is what makes EPCOT....'Epcot'.
Not clip shows full of random 'Disney movie moments'.
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Agree 120%.
I found the 'Illuminations' merch designs for the 'final season' awful.
The 'hip n' edgy' stylized artwork left me cold.
It would have been nice to have seen some classier options, even if only web exclusives or AP shirts.
Did they issue a Cast shirt for the final showing? Anyone know...?
'Modern Mickey' blowing out the torch happily just didn't translate well for me at all.
I am sure the designers did not intend for it to look demeaning to the Shows' legacy, but dang, it sure sent the wrong visual message to me when i first saw the designs earlier this year.
Mick looked absolutely elated to blow out those lagoon torches for good!
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I am guessing the Earth Barge base unit / water craft is being reused, so the 'globe' element has to be removed.
'HarmoniUS' seems to use a similar central focal point Show element.
I too would have liked to have seen the globe remain and installed somewhere backstage or elsewhere as a display.
We have old Show and ride vehicle equipment sitting for decades out in the 'wastelands' of Property, but the 'Illuminations' globe is put to a quick disassembly.
I still want a LED light.....i KNOW someone must have salvaged those....
( goes to check eBay....)
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There were FOUR present, actually.
Tony Baxter was at WDW on those same days.
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Tom Morrow
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I’d love to see the globe pieces installed over a fountain or something. And on the hour they open up. Wishful thinking though.
The Empress Lilly
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Great idea!
They should've done that in the restored Fountain of Nations. Then every evening play the music, project the images on SSE, project some light effects on CommuniCore, end with a little fireworks such as they have at the castle show, and call the whole thing Reflections of Spaceship Earth.
trainplane3
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Alrighty then, here's what I got. Obviously still wrapped in plastic until I can find a place to put it. Miles better then the lame Mickey crap they came out with.
Tom Morrow
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That's exactly the type of thing I want!Alrighty then, here's what I got. Obviously still wrapped in plastic until I can find a place to put it. Miles better then the lame Mickey crap they came out with.
... I probably can't afford that though. Is there a print of it?