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Ferry dock remodel

Discussion in 'WDW Parks News, Rumors and Current Events' started by roj2323, Oct 15, 2016.

  1. Slowjack

    Slowjack Well-Known Member

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    The fact that you can walk from the Polynesian to the Grand Floridian ought to indicate how silly it is to check someone before they board a boat or monorail to make the same trip. "Sterile zone." Right. Are they going to perform security checks before they allow someone to drive into a resort parking lot? If not, then the resorts are not protected (and let's be clear, they wouldn't really be protected even if they did check people at the resort gates). If the resorts are not protected, then checking people on resort-to-resort launches is just protecting the boats, not the people on the boats. I'm sorry about this rant, which isn't directly at you personally, Mr. Camel. But this is absurd. It's a waste of money, effort, and the precious time each of has on this great green Earth to do all of this. It accomplishes nothing but fuel our fears. It won't even insulate Disney from a massive lawsuit if someone decides to go all kill-crazy at WDW, which surely must be the reason they are doing this.
     
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  2. Disney-Trains

    Disney-Trains Well-Known Member

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    If the boat was just going from resort to resort it would indeed be silly... But the boat is going to the Magic Kingdom. The goal is to make the entrance area around the magic kingdon a secure zone and reduce the congestion there.

    It will only add inconvenience when resort hopping, someone staying at a resort will not encounter security any more times, just at a different place.

    This also should allow Magic Kingdom to EPCOT park hopping without security screening, I am all for that as well.
     
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  3. 21stamps

    21stamps Well-Known Member

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    That's not all it will do. It will be an imposing presence for resort guests. It will be another blemish on a beautiful view. These aren't some docks that are tucked away, they are next to marinas and in direct view of the rooms. People staying at those resorts use the docks for more than just going to MK. They now have to go thru security to sit under a gazebo or on a bench?

    These small boats arrive at MK to another dock, one that's not on resort property, there's is plenty room to put a security station there.

    You will not be able to leave Poly or GF without going thru security on either end-monorail or launch.. unless taking a bus or Uber/Taxi/Lyft.

    It's ridiculous, I don't see how anyone can justify it.
     
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  4. marni1971

    marni1971 WDW History nut Premium Member

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    That's not what is ridiculous.
     
  5. Sir_Cliff

    Sir_Cliff Well-Known Member

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    At DLP, you had to go through metal detecters and put your bag through a scanner when entering the hotels even before the attacks of a few years ago. Obviously they already had some sense that the hotels themselves were potential targets. For whatever reason, that doesn't seem to be the case at WDW yet.
     
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  6. 21stamps

    21stamps Well-Known Member

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    Of course. Let's install fear in every corner. Completely reasonable.
    I would feel better if that were the case. At least it would be somewhat logical.

    I guess I'm just very confused. People here flip out over a sign or a color change, but now were talking about metal detectors on resort grounds, In front of small docks, in the middle of what's supposed to be a relaxing area... and that's Acceptable and a Welcome Change?

    I will gladly be the odd ball out on this subject.
    I'm hoping that it's a case of misinformation.. I can hope, right?lol
     
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  7. GCTales

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    I am assuming many of you have not done much overseas traveling outside the US...

    In many countries is it not uncommon to have security checks when going in to malls, hotels, parking structures, etc.

    In this case I think it will, overall and over the long term, improve flow from the on-site hotels into the parks...
     
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  8. Disney-Trains

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    It's a win-lose... I get it.. Security check at the hotel (monorail and dock) doesn't add to to feel of those resorts. But I can't stand how close the security check is to the actual entrance of Magic Kingdom, arriving at the entrance should be exciting. Instead it is congested, frustrating, And the opposite of magical in my book. Anything to make the actual approach to the park entrance more magical is a huge win in my eyes.
     
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  9. 21stamps

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    "Going in to". You are exactly right-When entering a property. Not once already inside that property.

    I agree with you about the entrance, but a security station on the MK Poly/GF and FW/WL dock wouldn't have any impact on that experience.
    They have 2 choices- search/scan on the resort docks, or when arrive on the MK docks- still away from the entrance, other people arriving by different modes of transport wouldn't even notice it, right? I'm just wondering why they would make the decision the way they did.

    Sorry, I know I'm rambling. It just really doesn't make sense to me. They would choose to take their 2 most expensive resorts and install metal detectors within the resort. That's an awesome addition to the theme.
    Eta- not saying it would be acceptable at any resort...just that these 2 charge a premium for a view that will now include a security tent, which even makes it that much more foolish imo.
     
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  10. marni1971

    marni1971 WDW History nut Premium Member

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    Class of resort has nothing to do with it. That just sounds snobbish.
     
  11. peter11435

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    They're less concerned with two of their most expensive resort than they are they're busiest theme park in the world. Those resort docks outside the MK you speak of are dangerously close to the main entrance and large numbers of guests.
     
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    Yeah I had already edited it before your post came up. I knew someone would say that.lol
     
  13. 21stamps

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    What does that have to do with it? There's a simple solution that I've already stated. Twice. Put the security spot on the MK Poly/GF dock.

    No one else is on that dock except for people arriving to the MK from these resorts..or leaving the MK to go to these resorts. It isn't several hundreds of people.

    So the only time that we don't care about ruining a 'theme' is if that theme is Polynesia or Florida's Golden Age?
     
  14. marni1971

    marni1971 WDW History nut Premium Member

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    We don't know if the theme will be "ruined". No more than the DVC additions did at each resort anyway.

    Done tastefully - as we know is possible - it may be no more unobtrusive as the guard shack and the automatic gate at the car park entrance.
     
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    peter11435 Well-Known Member

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    Did you actually bother to read my post before you responded?
     
  16. GCTales

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    I should have been clearer...

    While those situations I identified make the facility the secure space.... If I understand correctly... Disney is pushing the security perimeter to a designated loading point within the hotel property.. So you have fewer people being processed.

    I read the intent as you don't go through security to go to the hotel.. Just if you want to go to the parks.

    My point was - plenty of places outside the US secure venue or parts of a venue. I have been to malls in Istanbul where a restaurant at the mall is NOT part of the secure zone... So if you park on the property... You go through security to get through to the parking deck... Exit to go to the restaurant... Re-enter to go into mall or parking.... After doing it twice, you don't really think about it.

    There are other examples.. But I see it as a non issue and a bonus / benefit for the ability to do it at my on-sitehotel, where fewer are being processed vs part of the masses who drove n parked and a longer / larger queue.
     
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    I did. But it didn't contain what it does now.lol
     
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  18. Disney-Trains

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    well... How do we know the plan isn't to have security at the GF / Poly boat dock? That is possible. With the smaller boats that could work... But once you are setting up screening at all of the other resort docks and monorail stations maybe it's easy to just have it all the same?
     
  19. GCTales

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    Btw - don't they do something similar at grand Californian at Disneyland? Never been.. But I understand if staying there, you can literally exit the hotel and be in the park via a gate on property?

    I would assume they have a security check there and it is not an eyesore....
     
  20. 21stamps

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    I spent 28 days in Turkey, by myself. I've been back 3 times since. I've been in the Mall of Istanbul, Kanyon, and the Palladium, I have never had to enter security once inside of my destination.
    I definitely did not have to go thru security at my hotel.. not when staying in Taksim or the Sultanahmet.

    I understand none of these had traffic going to the Magic Kingdom.. so not trying to do an apples to apples comparison, just responding to your post.
     

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