Fastpass return time

[CAPTAIN HOOK]

You make up a story about something that happened that was totally out of your control that prevented you from making it back to your return time.

Well silly - if you did that at the front of the line you wouldn't need to walk all the way to Guest Relations and make up your silly story. D'uh :hammer:

 

[Figment632]

IMO the cut off should be 2 hours after the time. that is more than enough time if someone is stuck at dinner or on a line. After that the FP should be void.

 

[mbisenius]

This is one of the main reasons why FP has become a problem for the stand-by queue. If CMs were to strictly adhere to the time posted on the FP then the stand by line would work efficiantly, but they can't. A few reasons why they are relaxed on the rule is because of dining reservations, weather issues (on some rides) and ride downtime.

I was thinking the same thing!

I had no idea they would honor any FP after the time to return had expired. Although I do understand some issues (i.e. weather) can come up, having a FP return of 11:00-12:00 and showing up at 7:00 at night doesn't seem like the system is being used correctly.

 

[Phonedave]

IMO the cut off should be 2 hours after the time. that is more than enough time if someone is stuck at dinner or on a line. After that the FP should be void.

I agree with this.

FP return times are designed to provide a semi steady state flow of guests into the FP line.

Hoarding FP's and then using them later disrupts this flow.

Of course what this really means is that it is better to go on a ride earlier in the day, as there will be less of a FP feed on the ride queue.

Lets say they give out one FP an hour, from 9 AM to 9 PM. If everyone comes 3 hours after there allotted time you will see the following distribution of FP riders.

9 AM 0
10 AM 0
11 AM 0
12 PM 1
1 PM 1
2 PM 1
3 PM 1
4 PM 1
5 PM 1
6 PM 1
7 PM 2
8 PM 3
9 PM 4

So go earlier in the day and enjoy the shorter FP lines, and therefore the faster standby lines.

Come to think of it, I think all FP holders should wait to use their FP's until 30 minutes before closing.



-dave

 

[lebeau]

Well silly - if you did that at the front of the line you wouldn't need to walk all the way to Guest Relations and make up your silly story. D'uh :hammer:

True.

In case it didn't come across in the tone of my original post, I was totally kidding.

 

[Figment632]

I would like to see FP offered to resort guests only but that will never happen.

 

[SuperSaint]

On my last trip we used several fast passes and on almost every occasion we came late. In fact, I watched the CMs closely and they never even bothered to look.

One time, when I was concerned, I made sure to hand in my FP with a large cluster of other people. The CM was so overloaded by the cluster of people he barely had time to grab the passes let alone check each individual one.

I've also heard that it really doesn't matter what time you come back, as long as it's after your window. That's how you can get a second FP...just wait until after your time window begins. We'd just grab a FP for the ride we wanted to go on the most first thing in the morning, go jump on a few other rides, then grab our next FP when the window begins. Then, we'd use the FP for the first ride. Worked like a charm.

 

[lebeau]

Realistically, Disney can't enforce the return times on the back end. They can easily tell people that it's not time yet. But you can't tell people they missed their window of opportunity. Right or wrong, you wind up with unhappy guests when you do that. And everyone is always going to have extenuating circumstances (real or imagined). So, Disney doesn't bother enforcing a rule they know is unenforceable.

Is it cheating to horde FPs? Yes. Same with making multiple ADRs to keep your options open. But if Disney is going to implement systems which are so easily exploited, they have to expect people to exploit them. They're not dumb. They know people are doing these things. But they choose not to close the loophole because the impact is relatively minor.

Lest anyone think I am endorsing these kinds of behaviors, I'm not. Just stating that Disney set up the broken system. They know it's broken. They coose not to do anything about it. Until they do (and I doubt they will) these kinds of abuses will continue. Whether or not you participate is up to you.

And while I don't condone this sort of thing, I can hardly blame people for gaming the system. A WDW trip is expensive. Might as well take advantage of the loopholes you're aware of to get the most bang for your buck, right?

 

[lebeau]

I would like to see FP offered to resort guests only but that will never happen.

Agreed.

I actually think Uni has a leg up on Disney where ride reservation is concerned.

Ideally, I like the next gen queue idea as a replacement for FP even more.

(Not a fan of FP in case you hadn't guessed.)

 

[Figment632]

On my last trip we used several fast passes and on almost every occasion we came late. In fact, I watched the CMs closely and they never even bothered to look.

One time, when I was concerned, I made sure to hand in my FP with a large cluster of other people. The CM was so overloaded by the cluster of people he barely had time to grab the passes let alone check each individual one.

I've also heard that it really doesn't matter what time you come back, as long as it's after your window. That's how you can get a second FP...just wait until after your time window begins. We'd just grab a FP for the ride we wanted to go on the most first thing in the morning, go jump on a few other rides, then grab our next FP when the window begins. Then, we'd use the FP for the first ride. Worked like a charm.

Yea and what you did is the problem why do you think the CM was so overwhelmed? Because people like you abuse the system :fork: I say take the CM out of the situation. Place a turnstile at the FP entrance that scans the FP if it is more that 2 hours after the FP time the Turnstyle doesn't turn.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

We have always returned within the time on the fastpass. If for some reason we can't we would give them to someone else.

Us, too. I'm thinking we're in the minority, tho.

And do what - Explain that you're trying to cheat the system and a CM won't let you :shrug:

I guess if that doesn't work one could always try flinging themselves in the floor and rolling around screaming a bit. :lol:

IMO the cut off should be 2 hours after the time. that is more than enough time if someone is stuck at dinner or on a line. After that the FP should be void.

Yea and what you did is the problem why do you think the CM was so overwhelmed? Because people like you abuse the system :fork: I say take the CM out of the situation. Place a turnstile at the FP entrance that scans the FP if it is more that 2 hours after the FP time the Turnstyle doesn't turn.

Both are great ideas. Allow a little concession time in case of such unforseen situations. Taking the human element out of the mix would be great. That way if people get mad because the turnstile says "no entry" the CM standing there can just say they are unable to override the system.



Yes, it's probably a nice thing that you can return with your Fastpasses anytime after the opening of your FP window. There's a reason why there's an ending time printed on the FP. If it was unnecessary why would they bother? When you go to obtain Fastpasses the return time is displayed. I've never figured out how people have problems with a meal overrunning their FP time. Use the 2 hour minimum rule (if dinner is within the same park as the attraction...if not, add plenty of travel time). If dinner is at 5 in the same park as the attraction you want to visit but the return end time is within that 2 hour minimum (5:00 - 7:00) go do something else then come back for a little later return time FP. If for some reason I hold Fastpasses that I find out later I won't be able to us for unforeseen reasons I give them away. Plans change. Why waste?

 

[Figment632]

Us, too. I'm thinking we're in the minority, tho.



I guess if that doesn't work one could always try flinging themselves in the floor and rolling around screaming a bit. :lol:






Both are great ideas. Allow a little concession time in case of such unforseen situations. Taking the human element out of the mix would be great. That way if people get mad because the turnstile says "no entry" the CM standing there can just say they are unable to override the system.



Yes, it's probably a nice thing that you can return with your Fastpasses anytime after the opening of your FP window. There's a reason why there's an ending time printed on the FP. If it was unnecessary why would they bother? When you go to obtain Fastpasses the return time is displayed. I've never figured out how people have problems with a meal overrunning their FP time. Use the 2 hour minimum rule (if dinner is within the same park as the attraction...if not, add plenty of travel time). If dinner is at 5 in the same park as the attraction you want to visit but the return end time is within that 2 hour minimum (5:00 - 7:00) go do something else then come back for a little later return time FP. If for some reason I hold Fastpasses that I find out later I won't be able to us for unforeseen reasons I give them away. Plans change. Why waste?

Yea it is an easy problem to fix that they choose not to :shrug:

 

[bgraham34]

I was turned away once for being late. I wanted for another cast member and then got on no problem.

 

[Figment632]

I was turned away once for being late. I wanted for another cast member and then got on no problem.

Which is why they should replace those CM with an automated system.

 

[fosse76]

I agree with this.

FP return times are designed to provide a semi steady state flow of guests into the FP line.

Hoarding FP's and then using them later disrupts this flow.

Of course what this really means is that it is better to go on a ride earlier in the day, as there will be less of a FP feed on the ride queue.

Exactly. I laugh at the long line at Toy Story for FP machines when the park opens, because the FPs don't really arrive until 10am, and the wait is generally shorter. They'd have been on the ride sooner than their return time, and you know the people with the first return times aren't doing anything else until then. But I'm glad they do that...then I don't have to wait that long.

And I think Toy Story and Buzz should eliminate the FP. When I was at Disneyland, even though TSMM was 35 minutes AT FULL QUEUE, the line never actually stopped moving...so it made it go quickly. Buzz wasn't using FP and that line went quickly too.

 

[Figment632]

Exactly. I laugh at the long line at Toy Story for FP machines when the park opens, because the FPs don't really arrive until 10am, and the wait is generally shorter. They'd have been on the ride sooner than their return time, and you know the people with the first return times aren't doing anything else until then. But I'm glad they do that...then I don't have to wait that long.

And I think Toy Story and Buzz should eliminate the FP. When I was at Disneyland, even though TSMM was 35 minutes AT FULL QUEUE, the line never actually stopped moving...so it made it go quickly. Buzz wasn't using FP and that line went quickly too.

No Omnimover needs FP imo.

 

[glee]

Didnt know you could do that!!!

Your not supposed to go outside the time though are you.

 

[CAPTAIN HOOK]

I say take the CM out of the situation. Place a turnstile at the FP entrance that scans the FP if it is more that 2 hours after the FP time the Turnstyle doesn't turn.

Now that is the best idea I've seen on here for a long time :sohappy:



So what can you suggest to prevent people making multiple ADRs...............

 

[Mad Stitch]

Wow, after all the threads I’ve read chastising others for using resort mugs on subsequent trips, using wheelchairs inappropriately, I am shocked at all of the people who think it is acceptable to cheat the fast pass window. This thread has changed my opinion about fast passes. I think they should be taken away.

 

[Figment632]

Now that is the best idea I've seen on here for a long time :sohappy:



So what can you suggest to prevent people making multiple ADRs...............[/QUOTE]

That would be great!

Wow, after all the threads I’ve read chastising others for using resort mugs on subsequent trips, using wheelchairs inappropriately, I am shocked at all of the people who think it is acceptable to cheat the fast pass window. This thread has changed my opinion about fast passes. I think they should be taken away.

No they serve a purpose, Disney just needs to regulate them :shrug: