Fractal514
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I'm sorry, but to what are you referring?
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FastPass+ now fully deployed to all guests - let's reset the conversation and hear your views
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I'm sorry, but to what are you referring?
Who said it was "a real problem"? If my statement regarding that I personally didnt like that offsite guests (children in particular) couldnt use FP+ to its full advantage made you feel I was trying to start a campaign for the sad kids of offsite resorts, then I apologize. Im glad the system is evolving and now offsite guests can use FP+ for pre selections.
JoeT63
Well-Known Member
Ok, I'm going to be labeled a blasphemer now. I hope you're sitting down.
I wish Fastpass, in any form, would just go away. Get rid of it altogether. Go back to waiting in line. Why? Two-fold:
1. Disney attractions are designed starting at the queue. So much of the full attraction is missed when you zoom past the queue, where a lot of the backstory is presented. Many of the queues are absolutely fantastic.
2. I think part of the reason the parks are so crowded now is BECAUSE FASTPASS EXISTS! Not the whole reason...part of the reason. The ability to Fastpass the main queues mean more rides in a day, which makes people more amenable to fighting larger crowds since they can avoid them 3 times/day on the major attractions. If everyone had to wait in line, many would avoid the parks on the busiest days and/or become more efficient in their touring. (Remember when all we had were our wits and the Unofficial Guide's touring plans?) The crowds would be lighter, or at least be spread out. (Yep, this is anathema to the business side of things...I get it.)
I've read several comments on this thread that said, effectively, "It's a shame that the FastPasses were all gone by x'oclock. I won't be able to go on the headliner attractions." Sure you will!!! Get yer butt up early, get to the park, and get in line! And while you're there, talk to the fam! Enjoy the lush detail of the queue! Chillax!!
Oh, but I'm definitely getting a FP+ for Soarin'. That line BLOWS!!
I wish Fastpass, in any form, would just go away. Get rid of it altogether. Go back to waiting in line. Why? Two-fold:
1. Disney attractions are designed starting at the queue. So much of the full attraction is missed when you zoom past the queue, where a lot of the backstory is presented. Many of the queues are absolutely fantastic.
2. I think part of the reason the parks are so crowded now is BECAUSE FASTPASS EXISTS! Not the whole reason...part of the reason. The ability to Fastpass the main queues mean more rides in a day, which makes people more amenable to fighting larger crowds since they can avoid them 3 times/day on the major attractions. If everyone had to wait in line, many would avoid the parks on the busiest days and/or become more efficient in their touring. (Remember when all we had were our wits and the Unofficial Guide's touring plans?) The crowds would be lighter, or at least be spread out. (Yep, this is anathema to the business side of things...I get it.)
I've read several comments on this thread that said, effectively, "It's a shame that the FastPasses were all gone by x'oclock. I won't be able to go on the headliner attractions." Sure you will!!! Get yer butt up early, get to the park, and get in line! And while you're there, talk to the fam! Enjoy the lush detail of the queue! Chillax!!
Oh, but I'm definitely getting a FP+ for Soarin'. That line BLOWS!!
AndyP
Active Member
I take your point, they can always use standby lines. I guess I just feel a bit sorry for people who save a fortune for a holiday but then have to queue for hours per headliner attraction and miss out on other things. There's no easy way around it of course.
I do think that if things are so new and popular such as the A&E meet and greet being unavailable 60 days out then they should be standby only. A leveller for all. In the same way that Uni didn't allow express pass on Harry potter.
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
Ok, I'm going to be labeled a blasphemer now. I hope you're sitting down.
I wish Fastpass, in any form, would just go away. Get rid of it altogether. Go back to waiting in line. Why? Two-fold:
1. Disney attractions are designed starting at the queue. So much of the full attraction is missed when you zoom past the queue, where a lot of the backstory is presented. Many of the queues are absolutely fantastic.
2. I think part of the reason the parks are so crowded now is BECAUSE FASTPASS EXISTS! Not the whole reason...part of the reason. The ability to Fastpass the main queues mean more rides in a day, which makes people more amenable to fighting larger crowds since they can avoid them 3 times/day on the major attractions. If everyone had to wait in line, many would avoid the parks on the busiest days and/or become more efficient in their touring. (Remember when all we had were our wits and the Unofficial Guide's touring plans?) The crowds would be lighter, or at least be spread out. (Yep, this is anathema to the business side of things...I get it.)
I've read several comments on this thread that said, effectively, "It's a shame that the FastPasses were all gone by x'oclock. I won't be able to go on the headliner attractions." Sure you will!!! Get yer butt up early, get to the park, and get in line! And while you're there, talk to the fam! Enjoy the lush detail of the queue! Chillax!!
Oh, but I'm definitely getting a FP+ for Soarin'. That line BLOWS!!
I love this post. I think that one of the big problems of FP is that it gets used primarily by returning and/or frequent visitors who have already ridden the big rides and would be less likely to wait in a longer line without it. This effectively cheats the economy of the lines. I would be 100% behind getting rid of FP altogether.
I understand what your saying, but its partially Disneys fault for making people like they need/deserve these things since they paid to stay onsite. Im not upset they offer these perks but When I was a kid we stayed onsite at POFQ or Shades of Green (i think it was called something else back then) and the only perk was EMH. There was no FP or MDE and we managed our days just fine. We never felt we should be given anything extra because we didnt need it.
MM311
Active Member
In our case we booked our entire package through RunDisney for the Tower of Terror 10-miler, and we were told just as we were last year that we would not be able to do any FastPass+ reservations until we arrived at our resort because they do not add your park tickets to your band until you physically get there. So now people staying off-site get to make their FastPass+ reservations before we do as well? I'm starting to think the savings you get for booking through RunDisney aren't really worth it in the end.......
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
In fairness you probably didn't feel like you deserved anything extra because you were a kid and you weren't paying for it.
But you DID in fact get a perk, you got EMH. Disney wants to fill those rooms and they've priced themselves so high that they need to offer some tangible reason for staying on-site, I think the extra 30 days is a fair perk and a good way to entice folks.
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
Probably not, but again it's the basic economics of the situation, you trade something (the ability to make FP+ reservations) for something else (a discount). I think a lot of folks on this board don't want to have to trade, but in life everything is a trade-off. Out of curiosity, how much of a discount do they give for booking through Run Disney?
MM311
Active Member
I don't remember exactly how much we saved, I feel like it was less than a couple hundred dollars for the week, so not really worth the trade-off at all. Last year they promised that this issue would be resolved by our next trip, then this year the cast member told me that they saved so many for day of visitors that it would not be a problem getting fastpasses for every ride. We didn't have any issues making reservations last year, but the old system was still in place and they weren't allowing off-site guests to pre-plan either, so we shall see.....
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In fairness you probably didn't feel like you deserved anything extra because you were a kid and you weren't paying for it.
I DID say that EMH was a perk. I said it was the only perk we got and we managed just fine. Did you not read that part of my post? You cant be so eager to start typing your response that you miss stuff
. So now, because Disney prices themselves at an outrageous price they have to entice folks with more perks, rather than just keep room prices at a point where they are not offensive. As i said prior, I see your points and understand where you are coming from and I will leave it at that. You seem like the type of person that has it all figured out and nobody can tell them differently. I will not attempt any longer to try and make you see where I was coming from with my original comment. We are so far from where we started its pointless. I will gladly admit that I know very little of the vast amounts of knowledge out there, even Disney stuff, so I shall ponder what we have discussed.
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
I DID say that EMH was a perk. I said it was the only perk we got and we managed just fine. Did you not read that part of my post? You cant be so eager to start typing your response that you miss stuff
As i said prior, I see your points and understand where you are coming from and I will leave it at that. You seem like the type of person that has it all figured out and nobody can tell them differently. I will not attempt any longer to try and make you see where I was coming from with my original comment. We are so far from where we started its pointless. I will gladly admit that I know very little of the vast amounts of knowledge out there, even Disney stuff, so I shall ponder what we have discussed.
I did see that you said you got EMH as a perk which is why I stressed that. My point is that even back then Disney recognized the need for perks for on-site guests. I do NOT have it all figured out, but I have put a lot of thought into this and frankly, my staunch stance on this was forged in the fires of dozens of seething posts about how awful Disney has become and why FP+ is worse than Satan.
If you don't have any other arguments/points to back-up your stance then I guess this IS the end of our conversation, but if you'd like to continue to go back and forth in an attempt to get closer to understanding each other and a middle-ground, I'd love to continue that as well. For what it's worth, I sincerely do want to read/hear the opinion of others, but I'm going to challenge things that don't ring true, are opposite my experiences/feelings, and don't add up logically. If you don't want to have that kind of a conversation, then I'm definitely the wrong guy to engage, but please don't dismiss me as someone who is unwilling to see the perspective of other people, I've often been persuaded by new information, a compelling and well-written post, or a previously unexpressed viewpoint. Invalidating the person making the argument is just a cheap way of trying to invalidate the argument itself without having to do the work of actually making points. So, why don't we get back on track by you restating your original point, which will now have a new light given the exchanges we've previously had.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
YES - FastPass has ALWAYS been a bad idea, The new incarnation simply makes a bad idea even worse.
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
For what it's worth, I prefer this system to the old system, but no system at all to either.
Thumper14
Active Member
Being an IT person, I understand the amount of coding that must go into a website like My Disney Experience. I have been critical of the system, but then started to appreciate the number of updates and revision that have been made since the beginning of this year. I have answered the surveys that pop up and they ask about your experience with FP+. What do you like and what you do like. Since I booked my room at the Disney Swan and believed I would not be able to use FP+, I planned accordingly. Now that I can you FP+, my plans have changed and I do not have to bring the alarm clock. I am onboard with the whole MDE and especially the new FP+ option!
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orky8
Well-Known Member
I'll disagree as I do NOT think things should be level. Resort guests (especially deluxe guests) are paying a huge premium with high margins for Disney. They should get an advantage in my opinion. As to people not figuring out how to use FP, to me its the equivalent of some rube taking a taxi to their Disney hotel from the airport because they didn't figure out that Disney offers free transportation. I don't have sympathy for that person. Stupid should hurt.
yeaitspootie
Member
I haven't used the new system yet, but from what I've read around the interwebs, the pros of FP+ are outweighing the cons. I'm anxious to get in the parks and use it myself.
The main issue seems to be the time it takes to get the MB to scan properly. Perhaps with a new design, hopefully within the year, the chip in the MB will be better placed. Or maybe just ditch the band and have RFID cards?
The main issue seems to be the time it takes to get the MB to scan properly. Perhaps with a new design, hopefully within the year, the chip in the MB will be better placed. Or maybe just ditch the band and have RFID cards?
PrincessNelly_NJ
Well-Known Member
So basically, with the addition of fp+ for park hoppers and a revolving fourth fp+, they spent millions to replace paper tickets with bands.
I'm glad they did make it closer to the old system but it just seems so wasteful... money wise.
I'm glad they did make it closer to the old system but it just seems so wasteful... money wise.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
For what it's worth, I prefer this system to the old system, but no system at all to either.
I do not like the new system - never was a power FP user and forcing people to choose 3 is stupid when in many cases we might only want one. I also prefer NO FP system at all.