FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[dreday3]

What do you mean? Rat isn't an omnimover; I don't think it loads/unloads any faster than ROTR?

Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I know it's not an omnimover but it just seems like it would cycle people through a lot faster than ROTR.

maybe not!

 

[UNCgolf]

Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I know it's not an omnimover but it just seems like it would cycle people through a lot faster than ROTR.

maybe not!

I don't know what the hourly capacity for Rat is supposed to be -- I'm sure it will functionally be higher than Rise if only because it won't break down nearly as often -- but I don't think there will be a huge difference between the two.

I'd imagine @marni1971 knows, though, especially since Rat already exists at DLP. What's the hourly capacity there?

 

[dreday3]

I don't know what the hourly capacity for Rat is supposed to be -- I'm sure it will functionally be higher than Rise if only because it won't break down nearly as often -- but I don't think there will be a huge difference between the two.

Yeah, we'll see.

Personally I'm disappointed they are going this route. I'd wait in a long line for it.
I am not a person with good luck. I can see us not winning the boarding group showdown and completely missing this ride this trip. Sigh.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yeah, we'll see.

Personally I'm disappointed they are going this route. I'd wait in a long line for it.
I am not a person with good luck. I can see us not winning the boarding group showdown and completely missing this ride this trip. Sigh.

I absolutely despise the current boarding group system. I think it's unfair and silly.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I absolutely despise the current boarding group system. I think it's unfair and silly.

Especially with the reservation system. I imagine most people will only book the Studios for one day, so you get one chance. At least at Disneyland you have multiple opportunities during a multi-day trip.

I don't know why they don't guarantee one boarding group per 4-day ticket or something. They could apply the same rule to passholders, or guarantee them a visit every 5th or 6th visit, if it means the out of town guests get on.

People plan trips to WDW for a new attraction, and getting on isn't guaranteed. It's crazy to me.

 

[matt9112]

Someone mentioned Rat being boarding groups like ROTR.

How would that work with a constantly loading/unloading ride? I mean, wouldn't they get through boarding groups a heck of a lot faster than ROTR?

Isnt ROTR technically the same tech? Minus the reliably issues shouldn't rise also board steadily?

 

[Padraig]

The rumoured addition of Lightening Pass Plus make me think that they've created an even higher tier in order to throw a regular LP bone to their onsite guests.


Either way, this is a complete balls and i'll be cancelling my 11 night stay at Riviera (already cancelled my twice postponed DLP stay) and staying off site if this comes to pass. And that'll probably be the end of me and WDW.

 

[matt9112]

The rumoured addition of Lightening Pass Plus make me think that they've created an even higher tier in order to throw a regular LP bone to their onsite guests.


Either way, this is a complete balls and i'll be cancelling my 11 night stay at Riviera (already cancelled my twice postponed DLP stay) and staying off site if this comes to pass. And that'll probably be the end of me and WDW.

Im trying to imagine partial balls

 

[G00fyDad]

Especially with the reservation system. I imagine most people will only book the Studios for one day, so you get one chance. At least at Disneyland you have multiple opportunities during a multi-day trip.

I don't know why they don't guarantee one boarding group per 4-day ticket or something. They could apply the same rule to passholders, or guarantee them a visit every 5th or 6th visit, if it means the out of town guests get on.

People plan trips to WDW for a new attraction, and getting on isn't guaranteed. It's crazy to me.

We have it for three days. Day one as soon as we arrive in Florida, day three, and day five. If I get a BG on that first day and we ride then I will try to switch one of our other DHS park passes to another park. Otherwise we will keep trying at 7am and 1pm each of those days until we get a BG.

 

[nickys]

So what is essentially being said in that podcast? Anyone have a breakdown on what is said in the podcast?

This is a summary of what was discussed:

• Traditional Stand-by lines will still exist on most rides
• Stand-by Pass is activated when an attraction queue is maxed out, giving you a time to return to wait n the stand-by line (like exists at DLP)
• Lightning Lane is for paid FP with a return window, cost $ (also like at DLP)
• Lightning Lane Plus is for Instant Access, cost $$
  
  
  
• Genie App (free version)
  –tells you when rides you like have lower waits
• Genie Plus
  –Optimized Touring Plans $$ (which I assume will recommend buying Lightning Access etc)
  
  
  
• Ratatouille to use a VQ like that for RotR
  

 

[Jeff4272]

This is a summary of what was discussed:

• Traditional Stand-by lines will still exist on most rides
• Stand-by Pass is activated when an attraction queue is maxed out, giving you a time to return to wait n the stand-by line (like exists at DLP)
• Lightning Lane is for paid FP with a return window, cost $ (also like at DLP)
• Lightning Lane Plus is for Instant Access, cost $$
  
  
  
• Genie App (free version)
  –tells you when rides you like have lower waits
• Genie Plus
  –Optimized Touring Plans $$ (which I assume will recommend buying Lightning Access etc)
  
  
  
• Ratatouille to use a VQ like that for RotR

I’m honestly struggling with this decision. If this system is implemented, other than the proximity, what are the incentives to stay on property? The morning hours are utilized by a small % of resort guests and the evening are for deluxe only.

Im not trying to be confrontational but can someone please explain to me why they would pay 2x, 3x or even 4x or higher nightly rates to stay on Disney property?

 

[G00fyDad]

I’m honestly struggling with this decision. If this system is implemented, other than the proximity, what are the incentives to stay on property? The morning hours are utilized by a small % of resort guests and the evening are for deluxe only.

Im not trying to be confrontational but can someone please explain to me why they would pay 2x, 3x or even 4x or higher nightly rates to stay on Disney property?

That's assuming that any of this is even remotely true.

 

[Jrb1979]

I’m honestly struggling with this decision. If this system is implemented, other than the proximity, what are the incentives to stay on property? The morning hours are utilized by a small % of resort guests and the evening are for deluxe only.

Im not trying to be confrontational but can someone please explain to me why they would pay 2x, 3x or even 4x or higher nightly rates to stay on Disney property?

My counter is what's the incentive to stay on property now?

 

[nickys]

That's assuming that any of this is even remotely true.

This isn’t really that different to what many are expecting. It’s much like what DLP now has, but with an added $$$ option to get instant walk-on to a ride. It’s entirely plausible in that sense.

And no, that doesn’t mean it’s certain. And neither does it sound like fun.

The Genie thing we also knew about, Genie Plus had also been mentioned.

I doubt the Ratatouille BGs will be needed for long, or at least not nearly as difficult to get as RotR.

 

[Jrb1979]

That's assuming that any of this is even remotely true.

From everything that has been posted and what they have done in Paris a paid system is for sure coming.

The only rumor anyone would believe is if FP+ came back.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I’m honestly struggling with this decision. If this system is implemented, other than the proximity, what are the incentives to stay on property? The morning hours are utilized by a small % of resort guests and the evening are for deluxe only.

Im not trying to be confrontational but can someone please explain to me why they would pay 2x, 3x or even 4x or higher nightly rates to stay on Disney property?

Not everyone stays on property due to incentives.

The resorts are generally nice and have interesting themes. I personally enjoy the atmosphere of Disney resorts. I enjoy walking around the lake at Coronado Springs and the swimming pool features a large temple. Port Orleans lets one experience a Disney interpretation of New Orleans, which is more interesting than a generic offsite hotel.

Staying in the bubble means not having to deal with driving or using a hotel shuttle with a strict schedule. Anything one wants to do in WDW can be accessed by internal transportation. The buses run every 20 minutes so there's no need to fret about a schedule. Taking a boat to Disney Springs is certainly more fun than driving your rental car from the Super 8 down the road.

On my last trip I avoided Early Magic Hours, I just don't find them worth the hassle. I did two Evening Magic Hours over the course of a week. Magical Express was great, but I only used it one way due to staying at Universal after Disney.

The few perks I took advantage of were fine, but they weren't the only factor in my decision to stay on property. If I was assessing from a cost benefit perspective they hardly justified paying Disney prices on their own.

WDW is a vacation environment beyond the theme parks, and staying in the bubble can simply be a more "magical" experience.

 

[runnsally]

I absolutely despise the current boarding group system. I think it's unfair and silly.

Although neither are ideal, I’d rather have the current boarding group system than virtual standby - seems like they accomplish the same goal but the former gives you a bit more control over your day.

 

[runnsally]

Not everyone stays on property due to incentives.

The resorts are generally nice and have interesting themes. I personally enjoy the atmosphere of Disney resorts. I enjoy walking around the lake at Coronado Springs and the swimming pool features a large temple. Port Orleans lets one experience a Disney interpretation of New Orleans, which is more interesting than a generic offsite hotel.

Staying in the bubble means not having to deal with driving or using a hotel shuttle with a strict schedule. Anything one wants to do in WDW can be accessed by internal transportation. The buses run every 20 minutes so there's no need to fret about a schedule. Taking a boat to Disney Springs is certainly more fun than driving your rental car from the Super 8 down the road.

On my last trip I avoided Early Magic Hours, I just don't find them worth the hassle. I did two Evening Magic Hours over the course of a week. Magical Express was great, but I only used it one way due to staying at Universal after Disney.

The few perks I took advantage of were fine, but they weren't the only factor in my decision to stay on property. If I was assessing from a cost benefit perspective they hardly justified paying Disney prices on their own.

WDW is a vacation environment beyond the theme parks, and staying in the bubble can simply be a more "magical" experience.

Definitely agree with this - I assume Disney has caught on that the resorts are a draw in their own right and folks are willing to pay a premium to stay there.

 

[CastAStone]

That's assuming that any of this is even remotely true.

Between this information and the “inside information” posted by a rando on the Dis today about how this all will work, I will choose to believe the coauthor of The Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World.

 

[matt9112]

This is a summary of what was discussed:

• Traditional Stand-by lines will still exist on most rides
• Stand-by Pass is activated when an attraction queue is maxed out, giving you a time to return to wait n the stand-by line (like exists at DLP)
• Lightning Lane is for paid FP with a return window, cost $ (also like at DLP)
• Lightning Lane Plus is for Instant Access, cost $$
  
  
  
• Genie App (free version)
  –tells you when rides you like have lower waits
• Genie Plus
  –Optimized Touring Plans $$ (which I assume will recommend buying Lightning Access etc)
  
  
  
• Ratatouille to use a VQ like that for RotR

Cant we just assume mos if not all new rides will have the boarding group system?