FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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WannaGoNow

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Incomudro said:
Yes, but even adjusted for inflation and the much higher wages of today - that ticket book pricing was nothing compared to what we may be forced to pay for.
We are talking big bucks here by any measure.
Prices that will literally price families with children out, except for those with ample disposable income, and a willingness to dispose of it.
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From an article on CNBC describing opening day at Disneyland: "A one-day ticket to Disneyland in 1955 cost $1 for adults and 50 cents for children. In addition to the price of entry, each of the park’s 35 rides had a fee. Many of the attractions cost around 25 to 35 cents for adults. 'If you are a glutton and try everything, it could cost you $8.70 for yourself,' Thomas wrote."

$8.70 in 1955 = $87.38 in 2021 dollars. It's not too terribly far off today's price of $105/1 park pass for Magic Kingdom for an adult.

So if Disney can't use pricing for gate control, what's the solution? Because if prices fall, demand - which is already creating large crowds in the parks despite the high cost - will increase even more. Sell a limited number of tickets each day and when the admissions are gone, they're gone? Book your vacation three years in advance to ensure you get a park reservation?
 
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jinx8402

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kong1802 said:
You started by trying to compare them....

Also, didn't AK have more rides/shows running in July 2019 than they do today?

We could go on for days about the differences between the two dates.

Fact is, lines are in fact shorter at FOP and Navi without FP today compared with FP in 2019, despite what you posted.

Boom.
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I wonder how much Disney factors in average guest satisfaction. Lets say a sliding scale of 1-10 for satisfaction of how long someone waits for FOP. At the 2019 level, standby is a 10, and currently at 105 minutes the satisfaction is a 7. Is Disney more thrilled with 95% of guests having a rated 7 satisfaction than 70% having a 3 (due to securing FP) and 30% having a 10? Coming back to potential paid FP, and assuming only 20% of people purchase, the numbers might look like something 20% have a 2 and 80% rating their wait satisfaction as a 8.
 
"El Gran Magnifico"

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Waters Back Side said:
Yes. But we are not discussing DLP and and their 8 resorts and 2 theme parks and Standby Pass. We are talking about 32 resorts, 4 theme parks in WDW. They cannot operate during high peak times with a line management system that has a free component that only involves waiting 60 to 80 minutes on every line.

Nor can they not offer resort guests some free rides. They will LOSE money overall if they remove incentives for resort guests and they stop coming. And no matter what you, me or anyone thinks there are A BOATLOAD of people that come annually during busy weeks. Not just once in 3 years or a lifetime. Once a year.
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Exactly. WDW is a different animal. Not saying that it won't be similar to DLP, but I'll wait for the actual announcement and then evaluate it from there. I'm thinking it's not going to be a "Pay me my extortion money or you'll be forced to wait in unbearably long lines" type policy. I have to think they'll ensure non-premier paying guests (the ones entering with just an admission ticket) will have some semblance of an enjoyable time. I could be wrong, but I'll wait and see.

You are spot on about people coming regularly during busy weeks and long weekends. On a long weekend you could have a quarter of South Florida and a third of Tampa/St Pete (obviously I'm exaggerating - but a lot of people from those areas come for 3 day weekends). There is no "loyalty" from these types of crowds. All things being equal I'm sure a lot have a preference for Disney - but they'd go to Uni, SeaWorld, or Busch Gardens just as easily - if Disney priced them out/gives them incentive to do so.
 
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Trauma

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If Disney’s internal surveys are showing them that this will be received very poorly I could see them introducing this with some nice perks for hotel guests.

People will say well this is kind of like it used to be so it’s not that horrible.

Over time they will slowly take things away making it a slow erosion of benefits.

This is a strategy that has worked in the past and I wouldn’t be surprised if they use it for this.
 
dovetail65

dovetail65

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Waters Back Side said:
Yes. But we are not discussing DLP and and their 8 resorts and 2 theme parks and Standby Pass. We are talking about 32 resorts, 4 theme parks in WDW. They cannot operate during high peak times with a line management system that has a free component that only involves waiting 60 to 80 minutes on every line.

Nor can they not offer resort guests some free rides. They will LOSE money overall if they remove incentives for resort guests and they stop coming. And no matter what you, me or anyone thinks there are A BOATLOAD of people that come annually during busy weeks. Not just once in 3 years or a lifetime. Once a year.
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They are betting they will not lose money removing incentives and I do not think they will. Anyone pays 995 a night to stay at Poly hardly cares about a perk with a monetary value from 0 to maybe 100 bucks.

I have never once stayed at a Disney hotel for the perks. They came as an extra, but I chose the hotel first and what they gave they gave. If people are wanting perks to book they can get a far far better deal using non Disney hotels paying for the perks and they would pay far less overall.

Disney apparently isn't after these people as their core guests anymore and we can get into many things they are doing that point to this.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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seascape said:
Who thinks its possible that WDW will still offer a limited number of free fast passes for those staying on property? I hope they will and base it on level of resort, either 1,2 and 3, for value to deluxe. or even better to encourage upgrades 2, 3 and 4. Also they could offer 1, 2 or 3 to annual passholder per day based on level of annual pass. Those who spend all their money on property should be treated better than those offsite guests and annual passholders should be treated better than daily customers. In an ideal world Disney should offer Annual Passholders with an annual pass an additional fast pass for staying on property, so a person staying at a Deluxed resort would get 4 or 5. Give better service to those spending more money.
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Possible…not likely

they already cashed the check for DVC…and mine

and you are not getting extras with an annual pass…that would give incentive to buy them and they’ve been honest in that they don’t want to go down that road
 
Waters Back Side

Waters Back Side

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El Magnifico said:
Exactly. WDW is a different animal. Not saying that it won't be similar to DLP, but I'll wait for the actual announcement and then evaluate it from there. I'm thinking it's not going to be a "Pay me my extortion money or you'll be forced to wait in unbearably long lines" type policy. I have to think they'll ensure non-premier paying guests (the ones entering with just an admission ticket) will have some semblance of an enjoyable time. I could be wrong, but I'll wait and see.

You are spot on about people coming regularly during busy weeks and long weekends. On a long weekend you could have a quarter of South Florida and a third of Tampa/St Pete (obviously I'm exaggerating - but a lot of people from those areas come for 3 day weekends). There is no "loyalty" from these types of crowds. All things being equal I'm sure a lot have a preference for Disney - but they'd go to Uni, SeaWorld, or Busch Gardens just as easily - if Disney priced them out/gives them incentive to do so.
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Yep. Agreed. Whatever Disney pushes out on us will be to make money AND to manage the lines both standby and fast pass. They do not have to charge every guest for every ride. in fact.. they do not even have to charge guests for MOST rides to make money.
 
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dovetail65

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WannaGoNow said:
From an article on CNBC describing opening day at Disneyland: "A one-day ticket to Disneyland in 1955 cost $1 for adults and 50 cents for children. In addition to the price of entry, each of the park’s 35 rides had a fee. Many of the attractions cost around 25 to 35 cents for adults. 'If you are a glutton and try everything, it could cost you $8.70 for yourself,' Thomas wrote."

$8.70 in 1955 = $87.38 in 2021 dollars. It's not too terribly far off today's price of $105/1 park pass for Magic Kingdom for an adult.

So if Disney can't use pricing for gate control, what's the solution? Because if prices fall, demand - which is already creating large crowds in the parks despite the high cost - will increase even more. Sell a limited number of tickets each day and when the admissions are gone, they're gone? Book your vacation three years in advance to ensure you get a park reservation?
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I think it is better to use the 1972 and WDW as a basis, but your point is valid. The initial getting into the parks is not all that expensive in itself, BUT the new Paris scheme goes way far overboard putting the potential expense up to 5 or even 10 times more in cost if we compare how FP has been used the last 20 years and it is a huge increase almost over night.

I would rather pay 30 more a day and leave the FP or DPA no cost. I also would rather pay for the FP system we had myself if they must go paid than this new thing. I know many disagree with that, but the new system at Paris I dislike.
 
Waters Back Side

Waters Back Side

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dovetail65 said:
They are betting they will not lose money removing incentives and I do not think they will. Anyone pays 995 a night to stay at Poly hardly cares about a perk with a monetary value from 0 to maybe 100 bucks.

I have never once stayed at a Disney hotel for the perks. They came as an extra, but I chose the hotel first and what they gave they gave. If people are wanting perks to book they can get a far far better deal using non Disney hotels paying for the perks and they would pay far less overall.

Disney apparently isn't after these people as their core guests anymore and we can get into many things they are doing that point to this.
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You are 10 THOUSAND percent wrong that people staying at the Poly would not care. In fact ill go as far as saying they might care MORE!
And for me, the perks were a major incentive but I love staying at a Disney hotel just because I like being close to the parks and enjoy the entire experience but everyone is different.
 
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"El Gran Magnifico"

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
and you are not getting extras with an annual pass
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You still do get something. Free parking, 10% off of F&B and Merch, Discounted Room rates. But I agree with your assessment that they are diminishing and that Disney views this as a necessary evil. Once they feel they can cut this cord completely, they will. And they won't think twice about it.
 
ctrlaltdel

ctrlaltdel

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I do think there is some hope that backlash/anticipated backlash could get resort guests something. Even just one free pass/day would probably be lapped up and a genuine reason for those really into the parks to continue staying on site (even if it is still an erosion overall).

They could even spin it as more choice for the customer as opposed to FP+ that you can use it anytime day of on any ride (pending on DPA availability for the attraction of course).

Although, I suspect they will just give those staying on site "priority" to purchase DPA.
 
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