Jrb1979
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I would up to 10000 people per day.
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FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was
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Disney Glimpses
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Sure, that sounds reasonable. But my point is Disney is not finding 10,000 people every single day for 365 days a year to spend $500 to skip lines. And the VIP business is way more than just skipping lines; most of those people had FP+ anyways. And again, Disney couldn't even sell out $100 After Hours events which had zero lines for anything.
That's like, $2 billion or Disney+ level revenue
Jrb1979
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No but it's why depending on the day the price changes.Sure, that sounds reasonable. But my point is Disney is not finding 10,000 people every single day for 365 days a year to spend $500 to skip lines.
That's like, Disney+ level revenue
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
The first one because in the second one nobody ever buys it a second time
Disney Glimpses
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What do you mean? There are 4 parks.
Disney Glimpses
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No, but practically there is no way they are creating a product that eats up the FP+ queue and will sit largely empty the entire day. Their goal is to make money and that's not the way to do it.
Consider this. If what you're saying is true, there will be no where near enough people to fill those queues up. Which means those queues sit empty. Those queues sitting empty is lost money for them. They want a steady flow of guests in those queues just enough so you barely wait at all. And however number of people that is will dictate the pricing.
So say that is 10,000 people per park per day. They need to price it at a point where 10,000 people reliably will pay for it, every single day.
That is not $500. No where near it and there is ample evidence because guests again for the 100th time pass up on $50 and $100 opportunities to skip lines.
Yes, the old FP lines could often exceed 20-30 minutes depending on the time of day/popularity of the ride. MK, for whatever reason, seemed to "overbook" FP the most, leading to lengthy FP queues.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
They have a miserable experience with paying $100 to stand in long lines. Why would you pay to do that twice? It can’t be cheap, it HAS to be expensive if it’s unlimited.
Disney Glimpses
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It's going to be as expensive enough so that every single queue has a 5 to 10 minute wait. They want every queue utilized to its max, not sit empty.
I think you're thinking about this the wrong way. They want people to purchase it multiple times, not just once. They're going to price it so they can sell as many units as they can. Let's call it 10,000. They are going to price it so they just eclipse 10,000 guests on average per day.
If that's $500, sure. I just don't think it's anywhere near that. If it is, that's like half of their total annual revenue lol
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Or at least at a price point their household can afford.
Disney Glimpses
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Yeah, so certainly the inventory will be substantially less than the old FP+ inventory.
Jrb1979
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Maybe at Disney they do but I think a lot of that has to do with that FP+ was free. If the only option is a paid one that would probably change.
Having been to many amusement parks there are days that attractions were walk-ons. They aren't going to sell 10000 every day. The goal is to have the price fluctuate to make up for the slower days.
Disney Glimpses
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Agree but my point is that their goal isn't to create a niché premium glossy product that only Club 33 members can dream of. They want to make money and their pricing will be based on all of those factors to maximize profit. Say they can sell 10,000 per day at $150 per day and people are willing to wait 20 minutes, that's what they will do.
But what will be interesting is what their starting price/inventory is.
BTW - if they do this, it's going to be a major revenue generator for the parks which is really good if you care about future attractions and offerings.
Chomama
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And then what do they offer vip/club 33 ? Front of line access? Because even though they see a cash cow with lightning pass (or whatever it ends up as) they also have a very loyal customer base that pays for the above and will be very very unhappy about this offering. Not saying it shouldn’t happen but then they have to change what they provide in the vip experience and to club 33 members
That is not a safe assumption. Disney makes more money from more people buying FP. Having more people in FP lines will cause longer standby lines, but that will only further incentive people to buy FP, so it benefits them.
Paid FP inventory might be slightly less than Free FP, but it’s unlikely to be significantly less.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
But that’s not reality because there’s 3x as many people trying to board rides at 1PM as at 7PM. You can’t utilize all of the queues all day. And 10,000 is WAY to many to do what you say. The ride capacity in “5 minutes” for these parks is like 1000-3000 and a lot of that still has to go to standby.
Anyway it all goes back to why I don’t think there will be unlimited and we’re talking in circles so I’m done.
runnsally
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The optics of going from free to $300/person/day is a major issue…at least initially. I would assume that if this comes to pass (pun intended) they’ll market it as something totally different from FP+ and announce something more accessible (virtual queues?) at the same time.
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It was mentioned earlier in this thread that one proposal would keep a limited free tier.
Maybe something through Genie? Then if you're not paying, Genie gets to decide when and where you're getting a FP.
Disney Glimpses
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haha, sorry didn't mean to seem combative. ultimately I agree with what you're all saying I just disagree with the price point. cheers mate
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