FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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Jeff4272

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disneygeek90 said:
How many thousands of people at any given day pre-covid are sitting in the Nemo theater 30 mins before showtime... queuing into Votlm that still has two shows ahead of them, or watching Indy in a large outdoor theater?

Sorry, but these shows absolutely pull people away for an extended period of time and with them not operating there's no where else to put people other than into attraction lines.
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Agree but the reduced capacity counters that at least to some degree
 
MisterPenguin

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How many unreturned shows are there in the MK that are artificially inflating ride times at MK?
 
kong1802

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disneygeek90 said:
And nearly all the shows suggest arriving 20-30 mins beforehand. That's nearly an hour that those people are out of the park and in a theater. For every show.
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Preaching to the choir.

Also, I wonder what the average attendance is of the sit downs right now vs the before times....

Without characters, I have to assume 1) churn is faster 2) less people are being served due to staffing 3) less interest overall.

However I could be off base on that.
 
kong1802

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MisterPenguin said:
How many unreturned shows are there in the MK that are artificially inflating ride times at MK?
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All the meet and greets.

I think there's at least 4 big ones, right?

Pete's Silly Sideshow
Princess Fairy Tale
Town Square Theater
Enchanted Tales with Belle

Then you have Merida and the other ones around the park, not as big.

Don't the big 4 have avg 45-60 minute waits?
 
UNCgolf

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hopemax said:
This issue is that when FP is operating with 80/20 ratio... On FOP, without Fastpass you need to constantly find 1400ish pph to be willing to wait that long to maintain wait times. With FP you only need 280pph. Otherwise, those times would start to drop.

Taking the 170 minute wait for today. That means there have to be about 4000 people, physically in line. If FP were running, that same 170 minute wait mean only 800 people were physically in line.

I absolutely believe that a given moment you could find 800 people in the park willing to wait that long (on a Fastpass day). I have my doubts about 4000. I'm not sure there is room, first of all. Which is why my first thought is Disney is posting a higher wait than actual because they want to encourage people to go elsewhere. Or a theater is down, which means it's not 4000 people in line but 3000 (in the case of a true 170 minute wait) or less if the wait time is intentionally inflated.
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The people waiting in line don't know how many people are in line, though. They're just basing on the posted number. Flight of Passage has pretty consistently had the longest wait times at the resort (Rise would have them too if they allowed standby), and since there's no FP+ right now, there probably are at least a couple of thousand people in line. They're used to seeing a wait time of that length for FoP so it's not really fazing them as something too long. Before the elimination of FP+ for COVID, I probably would have agreed with you about the number of people willing to wait, but since the wait times for top attractions have stayed pretty consistent without FP+ it's harder to make that argument. There are some other factors, of course.

I'm quite sure Disney inflates the posted wait times -- it would be foolish not to. If people have to wait longer than the posted time, they'll be angry about it. If they wait less than the posted time, they'll be happy (or at least not angry); it's simple psychology. Plus there's the potential to try to shift people around the park, as you alluded. I don't think they're inflating it by huge amounts, though. My guess is it's not usually inflated by more than 15-20 minutes to provide a nice buffer.

I agree about the lack of room in queues, though, which I think is the point of the standby pass at DLP and why I wouldn't be surprised to see it at WDW as well.
 
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George

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kong1802 said:
Nemo had 6 shows per day. Theater holds 1500 people.

Its not nothing....

That's 9000 possible slots that are elsewhere at any given time throughout the day.

For a park who has an average attendance of about 40k, its material.
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Right. DAK need more rides regardless of how things are organized and it has two of the most popular shows on property. FNtM being closed is incredibly impactful.
 
disneygeek90

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kong1802 said:
All the meet and greets.

I think there's at least 4 big ones, right?

Pete's Silly Sideshow
Princess Fairy Tale
Town Square Theater
Enchanted Tales with Belle

Then you have Merida and the other ones around the park, not as big.

Don't the big 4 have avg 45-60 minute waits?
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Not covid related - but HoP as well.
 
kong1802

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kong1802 said:
All the meet and greets.

I think there's at least 4 big ones, right?

Pete's Silly Sideshow
Princess Fairy Tale
Town Square Theater
Enchanted Tales with Belle

Then you have Merida and the other ones around the park, not as big.

Don't the big 4 have avg 45-60 minute waits?
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Just adding in avg waits from Thrill Data to this from 7/17/2019 (same Wednesday pre times)

Pete's Silly Sideshow - 22 Mins
Princess Fairy Tale - 33 mins
Town Square Theater - MM - 25 mins / TinkerBell 31 mins
Enchanted Tales with Belle - 30 mins
Meet Ariel - 30 mins

All of these had max wait times that day of over an hour....

I'm guessing combined these took about 1000 people out of other lines every hour.

Today, the people in these lines can't be in them, so where do they go?

Part of the reason why you see under the sea at 50 minutes today.
 
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kong1802 said:
Nemo had 6 shows per day. Theater holds 1500 people.

Its not nothing....

That's 9000 possible slots that are elsewhere at any given time throughout the day.

For a park who has an average attendance of about 40k, its material.
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No, it's still just 1,500 people in search of another line or activity at each normal show time since only 1,500 people can occuupy seats at each show time time and the show doesn't run non-stop. Once the theater fills with 1,500 people for a show, the other 7,500 potential audience members have to find another ride or activity.
 
kong1802

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Chip Chipperson said:
No, it's still just 1,500 people in search of another line or activity at each normal show time since only 1,500 people can occuupy seats at each show time time and the show doesn't run non-stop. Once the theater fills with 1,500 people for a show, the other 7,500 potential audience members have to find another ride or activity.
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I'm saying throughout the day, but if you want to break it down by show, ok.

Would you say 1500 more people looking for lines elsewhere would make those lines longer or shorter?
 
MisterPenguin

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kong1802 said:
I'm guessing combined these took about 1000 people out of other lines every hour.
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There are about 29 rides in the MK.

Let's just take into account the most popular 20 of them.

If there are 1,000 people an hour absorbed into show, but not any more, then they are in the lines for those 20 rides.

That's an extra 50 people per ride.

These rides have at the minimum and average of throughputting 1,000 people per hour. So, those extra 50 people are adding 3 minutes to each ride.

So even if one says that if shows were eating 3,000 people an hour, that's still adding less than 10 minutes per ride for lack of shows.
 
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