FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[G00fyDad]

That’s one I haven’t heard before. What a joke. Nothing is free.

True. But building the price into the cost of the daily ticket cost takes a bit of the sting out of it.

 

[flynnibus]

Yes, exactly. They are of value because that's what people want.

Don't confuse 'willing to pay for' and 'something you want'. Buying your way out of a problem just means you're willing to pay to make a problem go away.

 

[aliceismad]

Hopefully, Genie+ will enable every ride to be fully reserved every day and we just go from reservation to reservation!!

We're still talking about a technology created by Disney, right? I mean, their systems are so intuitive and reliable.

 

[pdude81]

We're still talking about a technology created by Disney, right? I mean, their systems are so intuitive and reliable.

I'm 3 hours in trying to buy tickets (online) for Oogie Boogie Bash. Half of the lucky people who managed to get through the virtual queue to spend money had errors and have no idea if they have tickets or not.

Makes the Boo Bash phone only garbage seem reasonable

 

[aliceismad]

I'm 3 hours in trying to buy tickets (online) for Oogie Boogie Bash. Half of the lucky people who managed to get through the virtual queue to spend money had errors and have no idea if they have tickets or not.

Makes the Boo Bash phone only garbage seem reasonable

Wheeeeeeee

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I'm 3 hours in trying to buy tickets (online) for Oogie Boogie Bash. Half of the lucky people who managed to get through the virtual queue to spend money had errors and have no idea if they have tickets or not.

Makes the Boo Bash phone only garbage seem reasonable

I can't wait until they announce that guests can only purchase the Very Merry After Hours tickets by mailing a money order and a self-addressed stamped envelope.

 

[pdude81]

I can't wait until they announce that guests can only purchase the Very Merry After Hours tickets by mailing a money order and a self-addressed stamped envelope.

$5 off if you send in 25 mickey bar UPC codes

 

[jpinkc]

$5 off if you send in 25 mickey bar UPC codes

GOD DONT GIVE THEM MORE IDEAS!!!!!

 

[Chi84]

Don't confuse 'willing to pay for' and 'something you want'. Buying your way out of a problem just means you're willing to pay to make a problem go away.

I want to be able to ride FOP, EE and Safari between 4 pm and 8 pm after spending the morning at Blizzard Beach. With FP+ I had no problem to “buy my way out of” because it was free and gave me exactly what I wanted. The system didn’t work well for others so it has to change - that’s why soon I will have to figure out what I’m “willing to pay”

 

[homerdance]

I want to be able to ride FOP, EE and Safari between 4 pm and 8 pm after spending the morning at Blizzard Beach. With FP+ I had no problem to “buy my way out of” because it was free and gave me exactly what I wanted. The system didn’t work well for others so it has to change - that’s why soon I will have to figure out what I’m “willing to pay”

I think it worked well for most. There are some that don’t like it for various reasons. The entire contingent who thong any sort of FP increase wait times are being proven wrong.

 

[jpinkc]

I want to be able to ride FOP, EE and Safari between 4 pm and 8 pm after spending the morning at Blizzard Beach. With FP+ I had no problem to “buy my way out of” because it was free and gave me exactly what I wanted. The system didn’t work well for others so it has to change - that’s why soon I will have to figure out what I’m “willing to pay”

See there is my problem with you calling it Free. It was never Free, look at the rates they charged for your on property stay compared to a like level hotel outside the park. The cost was just loaded into the on site hotel price. I admit Disney Hotels have the best theming around, but outside of lobby and pool areas they arent that different.

 

[flynnibus]

I want to be able to ride FOP, EE and Safari between 4 pm and 8 pm after spending the morning at Blizzard Beach. With FP+ I had no problem to “buy my way out of” because it was free and gave me exactly what I wanted. The system didn’t work well for others so it has to change - that’s why soon I will have to figure out what I’m “willing to pay”

Tell me again what that has to do with the motivation of other major parks that rolled out paid line-skips?

 

[MJM]

And you’re on this board. I know many people on this board who go every year.

Off the internet, I’ve never met any person outside Florida who does so. I know such people exist. But the biggest Disney fanatic I know, went maybe 10-15 times in 25 years. I’ve never met anyone offline who has done more than 20 trips. (I’m at about 8 over 50 years now).

But here is the question— do you know anyone who has gone 1-3 times?
Is everyone you know a 20-tripper or a 0-tripper. Or do you know people that have gone just 1 time or just a few times?

And do you know more “occasional” visitors than every-year visitors? Or do the every-year visitors outnumber the occasional visitors?

Many of the families I know go every year or every few. In fact I can’t think of any families who went only once and done. Of course on the flip side I know families who would like to go but haven’t been able to afford to. I don’t know anyone who goes multiple times a year that isn’t DVC. And we are not DVC

 

[flynnibus]

See there is my problem with you calling it Free. It was never Free, look at the rates they charged for your on property stay compared to a like level hotel outside the park. The cost was just loaded into the on site hotel price. I admit Disney Hotels have the best theming around, but outside of lobby and pool areas they arent that different.

This argument... Yawn... it was FREE. It was never a cost the customer was presented to cover. Disney offered it as a perk to ALL it's ticket holders - not just onsite guests.

Yes people understand the notion that the offer was rolled into other ways the company bills you... but it is offered as a benefit to customers FREE OF CHARGE. Just like the bathroom stall didn't have a meter on it, and the toilet paper was offered without charge. Neither is FREE to exist, but its offered FREE OF CHARGE to use by Disney's customers. Toilet paper costs the company money, and all money the company needs it gets from charging you for SOMETHING... but we still consider the paper free when sitting on the throne.

 

[kong1802]

I think it worked well for most. There are some that don’t like it for various reasons. The entire contingent who thong any sort of FP increase wait times are being proven wrong.

I still don't think you can state this with fact though.

How many meet and greets were there that ate up a lot of people?

Didn't those have 60 min avg waits?

Now all of those people are in the other lines...

 

[Waters Back Side]

I still don't think you can state this with fact though.

How many meet and greets were there that ate up a lot of people?

Didn't those have 60 min avg waits?

Now all of those people are in the other lines...

The problem with comparing meet and greets is that they are one family at a time. Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 people went up to meet a character. Its understandable why they are longer lines.

 

[Chi84]

Tell me again what that has to do with the motivation of other major parks that rolled out paid line-skips?

You keep moving around, don't you? I was answering your statement about confusing "something I want" and something I was "willing to pay for" in the context of WDW. At other parks, where there is no free ride reservation system, we may pay for it or just not go to that park if we don't think it's worth it. None of those parks are like WDW, where there is so much more to do than just go on rides and where we stay for at least a week at a time. I can easily do without Six Flags, where there is nothing to do but go on rides.

 

[Waters Back Side]

This argument... Yawn... it was FREE. It was never a cost the customer was presented to cover. Disney offered it as a perk to ALL it's ticket holders - not just onsite guests.

Yes people understand the notion that the offer was rolled into other ways the company bills you... but it is offered as a benefit to customers FREE OF CHARGE. Just like the bathroom stall didn't have a meter on it, and the toliet paper was offered without charge. Neither is FREE to exist, but its offered FREE OF CHARGE to use by Disney's customers

Are you against the free aspect of it or the availability of it? I'm curious...if they out of nowhere announce it will be remain free but very scarce would you be okay with that?

 

[kong1802]

The problem with comparing meet and greets is that they are one family at a time. Maybe 3 or 4 or 5 people went up to meet a character. Its understandable why they are longer lines.

Don't want to ruin the magic... but a few of them had extra "friends" so perhaps 20 people at a time.

Point is, there were many meet and greets that had people in line.

Now there are none and those people are in other lines....

 

[flynnibus]

You keep moving around, don't you?

Not at all - in fact keeping it back to the original point - which was specifically citing other theme parks.

Which was 'why they exist at every major theme park' -- The systems exist because the companies saw they could sell that kind of access for a huge premium. Not because someone paying for shorter lines is what people wanted.

Keep the order of operations right here... All those systems came out as upsells from day one. People were just willing to pay to avoid other pain.

Your logic is like saying "People get fillings at every dentist because that's what people want". No, people get fillings done because people are willing to pay for a procedure that avoids worse pain or medical issues. You don't cite the existings of fillings as a service as proof of people's desire to have fillings. It's something they do out of avoiding something else - not a desire for it.