FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[larryz]

When they close the line you then queue virtually, for free.

Are they going to call this the "Slow Pass?"

 

[mikejs78]

Nobody is trying to defend this. It's universally hated.

First I can remember.

"Sometimes what brings the kids together is hating the lunch lady."

I'm waiting to see what shakes out before I declare my universal hatred for this...

 

[Parker in NYC]

So I'm going to pay per ride? Why will I pay an entrance fee to the park?!?

For your privilege to buy cupcakes. Don't forget that exclusive perk!

 

[themarchhare]

Places like Vegas have free parking still. Large cities on the other hand.... $50 a night for parking in San Fran.

I was going to stay the night in Savannah on my drive down in October until I saw the parking prices.

Rural northern Florida will do!

 

[monothingie]

Well isn’t this a refreshing change instead of talking about the mess they’re making of Epcot.

I’m waiting for Zach Ridley to gush about it on Instagram.

 

[zachrupertdsn]

Yikes. Just rip off Universal, Express Pass is easy to use.

 

[CastAStone]

Well isn’t this a refreshing change instead of talking about the mess they’re making of Epcot.

________________________
| Martin, Welcome to Epcot! |
| I am your Genie!
| Magical Offer just for You!
| Access+ Pack: new classics
| •Journey of Water
| •Frozen Ever After
| •Spaceship Earth narrated
| by Buzz Lightyear
| Now just $54!
| Would you like to:
| •Purchase
| •Save for Later
| •Burn it all down
|________________________|

 

[CaptainAmerica]

________________________
| Martin, Welcome to Epcot! |
| I am your Genie! |
| Magical Offer just for You! |
| Access+ Pack: new classics |
| •Journey of Water |
| •Frozen Ever After |
| •Spaceship Earth narrated |
| by Buzz Lightyear |
| Now just $54! |
| Would you like to: |
| •Purchase |
| •Save for Later
| •Burn it all down |
|________________________|

It's like a free-to-play mobile game.

 

[Parker in NYC]

It's like a free-to-play mobile game.

Or other kinds of...games.

400 tokens, will remove 5 minutes from the queue.
800 tokens, will remove 10 minutes from the queue.
2000 tokens, skip the line,

 

[lewisc]

Most hotels have a resort fee, which goes to cover parking expense. They don't necessarily specify a parking fee.

A lot of Orlando hotels charge both. Gaylord Palms and Swan Dolphin come to mind.

Places like Vegas have free parking still. Large cities on the other hand.... $50 a night for parking in San Fran.

Many hotels in Vegas started to charge for parking. Some suspended the charge during Covid

 

[dsinclair]

Places like Vegas have free parking still. Large cities on the other hand.... $50 a night for parking in San Fran.

Not at any of the MGM resorts in Vegas

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Or other kinds of...games.

400 tokens, will remove 5 minutes from the queue.
800 tokens, will remove 10 minutes from the queue.
2000 tokens, skip the line,

 

[jpinkc]

That’s a nice “point.”
Offsite guests are never able to get such FPs in the 30 day window.
Even on-site guests can only get it for 1 such attraction in tiered parks.

And the effect: you save 2 hours on 1 ride. Give it back with longer lines the rest of the day. So best case scenario, you break even.

Every system will have “winners” and “losers.” Those who stay on-site in small parties, with the know-how and ability to master the system and pull 4th FPs, see above average benefit.

Those off-site, those with less FP know-how, those who don’t want to plan every major ride at 7am 60 days in advance, those with larger parties (good luck pulling a 4th FP for 12 people for Mine Train), they see above-average detriment.

I strongly suspect that WDW will look for a system that overall creates better guest satisfaction for more guests.




Nope. Only if 100% of guests purchase it. The more limited it is, the less it affects standby lines.

No Disney will not care about Satisfaction, they will care about the $$$$, they keep proving it more and more. They will and I am sure ready to carpet bomb any negatives about the new system out of existence with skewed/biased research and shills saying how great the new system is. They if this is true will have battened all hatches for the storm and will just ride it out with no official comment or platitudes of needing to refine the new system. Walt's spirit is truly gone from TWDC and its sad. Wall Street approval is paramount.

 

[nickys]

But that is exactly what they are doing with the new system in Paris only 8 attractions have Fp available.

Pretty sure DLP only ever had 8 or 9 attractions with FP. I haven’t worked out which one has been dropped, if in fact any.

Shanghai has more, and has used DLP’s old system by having bundles (“sets”) of FPs as well as individual FPs available to buy.

* and I know they’re not called FPs but it’s quicker to type.

Can someone summarize the difference between this and the old paid service at DLP? I definitely remember almost buying some Fastpass related thing when I was there in 2019 but I don't really remember what it was lol.

The old system at DLP had 3 groups of rides you could buy FPs for (family, thrill and all). And you could choose to ride each one once or unlimited.
Sold mainly on the day only (some exceptions). And limited in number.
Also had free paper FPs from machines at each of the applicable rides.
And stand-by.
Since re-opening, no FP but they introduced the Standby Return, as have Shanghai.

The new system coming to DLP eliminates the free FPs.
The old bundles are gone and you now buy individual FPs. Shanghai has both individual and bundles to buy.
Stand-by Return remains when the standby wait reaches a certain threshold.

 

[pdude81]

Or other kinds of...games.

400 tokens, will remove 5 minutes from the queue.
800 tokens, will remove 10 minutes from the queue.
2000 tokens, skip the line,

I remember the idea of unlocking fastpasses to MFSR by playing games in SWGE. Not sure if that ever materialized but it's another quest to send people off on that spends time and energy, even if not money.

 

[nickys]

Or looked at it another way... you are free to do what you want and adapt to what you see and feel like... instead of being locked into a plan that you made months ago based on the availability you were offered - instead of necessarily what you wanted in the first place.

You could always change what you had.

Or other kinds of...games.

400 tokens, will remove 5 minutes from the queue.
800 tokens, will remove 10 minutes from the queue.
2000 tokens, skip the line,

10,000 tokens, blow up the hardware in the lagoon

 

[aliceismad]

A lot of Orlando hotels charge both. Gaylord Palms and Swan Dolphin come to mind.

Many hotels in Vegas started to charge for parking. Some suspended the charge during Covid

Oh yeah? I hadn't seen that. Thanks for updating me.

I'm sure that parking lots, in the minds of business types, are a terrible waste of space if they don't directly add profit.

 

[Family_Man]

It’s 1 or 2 rides and a jump on the line for the 2nd or 3rd. Everyone who has to wait until the park officially opens will find many rides at an instant 1 hr wait. By eliminating the chance to rope drop for all offsite guests it’s a “reverse perk” - my terminology. By disadvantaging everyone else it becomes much more than 30 minutes.

This.

If you can't virtual queue/pass for fastpass/ whatever until you enter the part, you may simply not get on some rides. Magic Kingdom has a lot of interesting popular attractions. But you may not be able to get on FOP during spring break if you are off site.

 

[MrPromey]

I don't think I've ever had free parking as a hotel guest at a 4 or 5 star hotel. It's inexpensive hotels that typically don't charge for parking.

I don't understand berating Disney for an industry standard.

Oh, it's simple.

Disney charges an insane premium to sleep in a building on their land, with the "magic" being slowly chipped away as benefits are lost and modified while prices continue to go up. When they added the parking charge, it's not like they reduced the cost of the the resort stay to offset - quite to the contrary, it happened on top of still-increasing prices so for everyone in a car, it was an instant $15-$25 per night increase to the cost of the resort stay with no added benefit of any sort, that came in addition to the usual because-they-can price increases.

So how does Disney justify that?

Did a parking spot that cost them virtually nothing to maintain one day suddenly become a serious expense the very next?

At least where you see it other places, they've either always had it or it started off small and grew to the fees you expect to pay over time so it was in-line and factored into the cost of the stay with a steady increase with inflation which is still gouging but something that got that way at a slow and steady pace (sort of like Disney ticket prices).

With Disney, it's like the equivalent of adding a box-office fee of $15-$25 for each park admission per-day, out of nowhere, overnight for no reason other than because they can and because it's "industry standard", in addition to the typical annual and sometime semi-anual park price increases.

It's an instant "hidden" price increase on top of the regular annual price increase that was already driving the value proposition down.

You're typical 4 or 5 star hotel may be doing the same thing but they've also been doing it for decades so it's not a literal overnight increase and they are not typically charging what Disney is for what is typically not a 4 or 5 star resort when it comes to actual amenities... and what of say, the Allstars which are effectively motel rooms charging hotel prices and now charging for parking on top of that?

 

[FutureCEO]

How much did you pay to get into the amusement park back in the day?

Right. It's nothing like that.

Considering the pay as you ride concept was before my time, I'm going to have to go with zero