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Fastpass for deluxe resort guests only?
- Thread starter Jimmy Thick
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Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Selfish perhaps, but I cant see how a vote could reflect on luck or success.
koryadams
Active Member
I agree! Fastpass is for everyone! Why would we stoop to Universals level? That is going to make people mad and want to go to WDW instead
righttrack
Well-Known Member
The problem with all of these perks is that when they get very popular, they aren't perks so much anymore. Universal isn't as heavily attended as WDW, it's a smaller world, and what works for them isn't necessarily going to work for WDW.
I like that there are two and only two "classes" of guests. Those staying "on property" and those staying "off property". WDW needs to do something for on property guests. I think EMH is probably the best thing you can do given the situation. The dining plan is another. They could continue to tweak that to make it be more of a "benefit" than an "convenience"
I like that there are two and only two "classes" of guests. Those staying "on property" and those staying "off property". WDW needs to do something for on property guests. I think EMH is probably the best thing you can do given the situation. The dining plan is another. They could continue to tweak that to make it be more of a "benefit" than an "convenience"
olinecoach61
Well-Known Member
Why does it have to be fair?Really?! People voted yes? Having stayed in all levels of resorts, it would never be fair! That's one more way of saying middle class people are losers!
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
Some random thoughts:
Onsite guests at the new Cabana Bay resort will receive early park admission (think Extra Magic Hours) like guests at Universal's 3 Deluxe Resorts. However, they won't get free FP; they have to pay for this separately. Effectively, Cabana Bay guests will be treated like all WDW onsite guests, EMH but no FP.
At WDW, even offsite guests currently receive FP. (Let's see what Next Gen does to this.)
Rather than Deluxe Resort guests, should Disney limit FP to onsite guests only? (Again, Next Gen may effectively do this, if only onsite guests will be able to get FPs before arriving.)
Will Next Gen implement a multi-tier system? For example, Deluxe Resort guests get 3 "advanced" FPs per day, Moderate Resort guests get 2, Value Resort guests get 1?
Some of what Jimmy Thick suggests in his original post might already be in the works at WDW.
Onsite guests at the new Cabana Bay resort will receive early park admission (think Extra Magic Hours) like guests at Universal's 3 Deluxe Resorts. However, they won't get free FP; they have to pay for this separately. Effectively, Cabana Bay guests will be treated like all WDW onsite guests, EMH but no FP.
At WDW, even offsite guests currently receive FP. (Let's see what Next Gen does to this.)
Rather than Deluxe Resort guests, should Disney limit FP to onsite guests only? (Again, Next Gen may effectively do this, if only onsite guests will be able to get FPs before arriving.)
Will Next Gen implement a multi-tier system? For example, Deluxe Resort guests get 3 "advanced" FPs per day, Moderate Resort guests get 2, Value Resort guests get 1?
Some of what Jimmy Thick suggests in his original post might already be in the works at WDW.
koryadams
Active Member
Because! could you imagine trying to control who gets a fast pass? And there would be longer lines and less fast passes used! I would hate that! and people would go crazy
SleepingMonk
Well-Known Member
WDW has too many deluxe resort rooms for this to work.
What they could do is offer unlimited FastPass to Deluxe Club Level guests as an added perk.
But since they sell those rooms out already they have no business incentive to do so.
Which is another reason why we let our WDW season passes expire and renewed at Universal.
More perks, less strollers.....
What they could do is offer unlimited FastPass to Deluxe Club Level guests as an added perk.
But since they sell those rooms out already they have no business incentive to do so.
Which is another reason why we let our WDW season passes expire and renewed at Universal.
More perks, less strollers.....
ChrisFL
Premium Member
Look, the difference we're talking about isn't thousands of dollars. If they want to have the perks of staying on-site with FOTL, they can take a bit more time, save a bit more money and do that.
ALSO, we don't know if they are going to offer a discounted Express pass for those staying at the new hotel.
ALSO, we don't know if they are going to offer a discounted Express pass for those staying at the new hotel.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
It's not like Universal never tried a free system. Express Pass was almost identical to FastPass. And I have yet to see anything that suggests that FastPass Plus will not be limited in some manner, either by having to stay on property or trough a fee. The presence of Express Pass Plus also seems to be hurting Universal's numbers such as guest spending.
spacemt354
Chili's
Because everyone is paying the same price of admission to enter the parks whether you stay at a deluxe resort or a value resort. Once you are in the parks, everyone is on the same level. It's not fair that just because someone paid extra to stay at the Grand Floridian, that now they should be able to cut in front of All-Star guests in line. The resort and the parks are two spearate places, and the resort you stay at shouldn't determine how long you wait in line.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
If the two are different than why do you get more (Extra Magic Hours) for staying at a Disney hotel versus a non-Disney hotel?
spacemt354
Chili's
We are talking about resorts on Disney property. If you are staying on Disney property, then extra magic hours are given to all resorts, from deluxe to value. Disney doesn't just give EMH to guests at deluxe resorts. It's offered to everyone who stays on property. And it's not a fact of getting "more" extra magic hours for staying on disney property. It's that you get them period. If you aren't staying on Disney property, then why would you expect to be allowed in the park when it's closed to the public? You paid for a park pass that is good from opening till closing, and in that time you should be treated equally. But after the park closes, your ticket expires, and you're not on disney property, you aren't given any privilege to be there any longer. Non-Disney hotels aren't even a part of this discussion nor is extra magic hours really so there is a difference.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
They are a perfectly valid part of the discussion when your argument for why Deluxe Resort guests should not get in-park perks is that "The resort and the parks are two spearate places, and the resort you stay at shouldn't determine how long you wait in line." Off site guests pay the same ticket prices as everybody else. If they are separate, then they are separate. If the art not, they are not. Your argument is that sometimes they are separate and sometimes they are not.
SleepingMonk
Well-Known Member
Sure you are.
Except for those VIP tours, private yachts, reserved seating at shows, fine dining, etc...
Just accept the fact that the "magic" is for sale and the more you pay the more you get.
olinecoach61
Well-Known Member
Exactly!
olinecoach61
Well-Known Member
Ok, but if the regular fast passes are still available why does it matter that others receive fast passes as a perk of where they stay? Everyone who paid admission would still have access as before.
spacemt354
Chili's
Again, we are talking about Disney resorts. Yes, off-site guests pay the same ticket price as everyone else. And the fastpass system is in use for anyone who has a park pass, regardless of where you stay. Extra Magic Hours is something that is exclusive to Disney resorts. When I say resorts, I'm talking about disney resorts, I'm not talking about the holiday inn of Orlando down the street. I think it's perfectly fair to have extra magic hours for all resort guests, because it's part of the incentive for staying on property. And the extra magic hours doesn't discriminate the people who stay at a value resort as opposed to a deluxe resort, because every resort guest has the same opportunity. There are off-property hotels that are more expensive and less expensive than disney resorts. So offering an incentive to guests that choose to stay on disney property is not the same as offering deluxe guests the incentive of more fastpasses just because they can afford to spend the extra money for their resort. Some families can't afford that kind of resort. We have to save years in advance just to go down. And now you take fastpasses, a system that is offered on a level playing field to everyone with a park pass, and give extra ones to people who can afford a deluxe resort? It's not right in my book, and I don't see disney doing this anytime in the future.
VIP tours and all of the other things that you had mentioned are not part of the park admission. They are separate costs in addition to the park passes. I don't have a problem with someone spending money to have a seven seas lagoon fireworks cruise, or things of that nature. They aren't affecting me in any way. But when someone is granted fastpasses just because they can afford to stay at a deluxe resort, and now they are cutting in front of me in the line, and making me wait longer, that's where I have a problem. Even when we get fastpasses, especially for rides like soarin and such, we have to make sure we get to the parks early before all the fastpasses run out. Then we wait around for our time. Then after all that we finally get in line, and now someone who stays at the Grand Floridian can just waltz right in the line front of us because they stay at a higher end resort?
A resort is a resort. We have stayed at the Grand Floridian, and a few other deluxe resorts as well. Those resorts offer a lot of incentives already, such as great pools (Stormalong Bay), sports, and other bonuses as well that are exclusive to those deluxe resort guests. Now on top of that, you're going to add more incentives by giving fastpasses to them as well? That doesn't seem fair to me.
Yes they would all have access, but it's the principle of it as I described above. We would all still have fastpasses, but just because someone can afford a higher end resort, now they don't have to use all that energy and time to get the fastpasses like the rest of us? They are paying extra for their resort, they aren't paying extra for park admission in order to get shorter wait times. Everyone pays the same for the parks. Once you get into the parks, from park opening till closing, anything that is included in that park pass, a la fastpasses, should be fair game in my opinion.
SleepingMonk
Well-Known Member
So if WDW had the option to pay for an unlimited FastPass you wouldn't have a problem?