Fantasyland/Mine Train aerial image update

MOXOMUMD

MOXOMUMD

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G00fyDad said:
Speaking as someone with zero knowledge on the subject, why is there a "deck" involved with Disney? Why 3000'? Why not 1000'?
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Is it a security measure to prevent something like a terrorist attack? Something you don't want to associate with WDW but it is the reality we live in unfortunately.
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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MOXOMUMD said:
Is it a security measure to prevent something like a terrorist attack? Something you don't want to associate with WDW but it is the reality we live in unfortunately.
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Correct, but I've never understood it. A 3,000 foot deck isn't nearly high enough to give enough warning to scramble jets. You could drop a plane down 3,000 feet VERY quickly.

WDW always wanted a flight restriction and it was never granted, so to me it's not really about terrorism. Terrorism was just used as a ploy to finally give them their TFR. Is it a stretch to say they paid the FAA off as well? I'm just asking questions you never know.
 
photoflight

photoflight

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G00fyDad said:
Speaking as someone with zero knowledge on the subject, why is there a "deck" involved with Disney? Why 3000'? Why not 1000'?
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Before the TFR was put in place the limit was 1000' (actually 1000' above the highest obstacle within 2000' of the aircraft, as per the FARs 91.119 - that's the rule over any congested area).

The FAA has similar TFRs (the restricted airspace around WDW) for many major outdoor sporting events at stadiums with a seating capacity of 30,000 or more. When people gripe about the WDW TFR I point out that WDW has a capacity higher than 30,000 every day of year (in fact I was told that the capacity of MK is 50,000), so it's of little wonder that they've imposed the same restrictions. While I don't know specifically why they chose 3000' (I have my own ideas), that's the altitude for all the similar TFRs in the country - probably for the same reasons.
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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photoflight said:
Before the TFR was put in place the limit was 1000' (actually 1000' above the highest obstacle within 2000' of the aircraft, as per the FARs 91.119 - that's the rule over any congested area).

The FAA has similar TFRs (the restricted airspace around WDW) for many major outdoor sporting events at stadiums with a seating capacity of 30,000 or more. When people gripe about the WDW TFR I point out that WDW has a capacity higher than 30,000 every day of year (in fact I was told that the capacity of MK is 50,000), so it's of little wonder that they've imposed the same restrictions. While I don't know specifically why they chose 3000' (I have my own ideas), that's the altitude for all the similar TFRs in the country - probably for the same reasons.
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Another thing I've never understood... How are pilots suppose to know how full a stadium is or how many people are at a particular sporting event? Seems silly to me.
 
photoflight

photoflight

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The TFR isn't based on how many people are there, merely the seating capacity. The stadium could have 10 people in it but if it's capable of having 30,000 then it qualifies.

There's no foolproof way to find out about TFRs but it's up to pilots to try and have the best information available. AOPA summarized how to keep track of them, and has a list of the sporting-related areas.

Sporting events are easy but TFRs pop up all the time to restrict flying around forest fires or high-profile events (usually law-enforcement related). It's hard to keep track of everything with the type of flying we do. In a 9-10 hours nonstop flying day it's possible a TFR might pop up that we didn't see earlier. In the airplane we have two Garmin radios interfaced with a GDL69 and a Garmin-396 with an XM antenna. All three receive weather and TFR information. We also have iPad software that shows the TFRs. It all helps if we miss something in flight planning. Surprisingly the XM-based information is sometimes more up to date than what ATC has on hand.

We haven't added ADS-B equipment yet, but I understand the ADS-B Broadcast Services will include TFR information too.

In my world we should be able to own and fly Cubs without radios and have fun doing it. That doesn't always mesh with 21st century though.

Now back to fun Disney stuff...
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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photoflight said:
The TFR isn't based on how many people are there, merely the seating capacity. The stadium could have 10 people in it but if it's capable of having 30,000 then it qualifies.

There's no foolproof way to find out about TFRs but it's up to pilots to try and have the best information available. AOPA summarized how to keep track of them, and has a list of the sporting-related areas.

Sporting events are easy but TFRs pop up all the time to restrict flying around forest fires or high-profile events (usually law-enforcement related). It's hard to keep track of everything with the type of flying we do. In a 9-10 hours nonstop flying day it's possible a TFR might pop up that we didn't see earlier. In the airplane we have two Garmin radios interfaced with a GDL69 and a Garmin-396 with an XM antenna. All three receive weather and TFR information. We also have iPad software that shows the TFRs. It all helps if we miss something in flight planning. Surprisingly the XM-based information is sometimes more up to date than what ATC has on hand.

We haven't added ADS-B equipment yet, but I understand the ADS-B Broadcast Services will include TFR information too.

In my world we should be able to own and fly Cubs without radios and have fun doing it. That doesn't always mesh with 21st century though.

Now back to fun Disney stuff...
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I hear you Scott! I've flown the stearman a couple times out at FOF and there was nothing like an open cockpit in golf airspace. That was real flying and a unreal experience.

The radial engine is pretty cool to :)
 
Kurt Hauk

Kurt Hauk

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Love the photos and thank you for doing them! I check daily just to see if there is an update. I'm going to the world in early April and just hoping this will be open.
 
George

George

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Well, there are the surface to air missiles kept in the decaying corpse of River Country. Fortunately, for @photoflight and @Scuttle they are maintained by the same group that is in charge of Dinosaur. As a result, the last time they tried to forcibly keep pictures of construction from being photographed, there was an unexplained explosion on the outskirts of Lake City that has never been fully understood by the locals.
 
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phi2134

phi2134

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Looks like there is no way this is going to have a soft opening this month, still a ton of work to do on the front of the attraction and on the mountain itself.
 

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