Fantasyland Expansion

[SuddenStorm]

Random question for anybody who might know, are attractions like this (the interior sets and AAs I mean) constructed entirely at WDI in California and then shipped over or are they built on site? Just curious since the WDI employees that were interviewed in that vid had Japanese on their nametags.

Disney outsources a lot more of the set construction and AA construction then their marketing team publicizes.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I am confused by your response. it originally seemed you were for a ride to be in more than one park but this response makes it seem like you are against it by agreeing with his point. can you clarify your position?

I was repeating the excuse for clones I’ve seen multiple times in my first post. I disagree with it, hence the eye-rolling emoji.

 

[BrianLo]

Because some people don’t want to pay the money to travel to the other resorts, so attraction exclusivity shouldn’t be a thing ().

I hate this mentality people have. And I completely missed your sarcasm with the eye roll so forgive me for the rant.

Why should every resort be homogenous? It’s not a McDonald’s, the experiences can be different. The resorts are also wildly different and have varying needs.

For example, because Radiator Springs is and was awesome, Florida should have foregone Pandora and just built Radiator Springs, because people have issues with not being able to experience everything at their home resort? WDW would be meaningfully worse without a proper AK expansion, DCA would become even more pointless.

Should Disneyland get a Toy Story Playland too so it’s not missing out?

The last time Disney took the strategy of true park homogenization they built Hong Kong Disneyland. It did not go over well because it simply is and never will be Walt’s Disneyland. Once they started to do their own thing it became wonderful.

Yes that means there are great things elsewhere people will never get to experience, but as long as your home resort gets its own great things designed for it, why is that a bad thing?

All rhetorical because I know you we’re being sarcastic now ha ha.

 

[BrianLo]

yet DCA gets bing bong, luxo, and incredicoaster.

And Ursula, Mr. Potatoe Head, Rocket and Radiator Springs Racers... we just need them to realize they can do better and encourage them to do so. Consistently Jeer at them for not.

 

[TROR]

And Ursula, Mr. Potatoe Head, Rocket and Radiator Springs Racers... we just need them to realize they can do better and encourage them to do so. Consistently Jeer at them for not.

None of those were under Chapek's time as head of Parks and Resorts.

 

[BrianLo]

None of those were under Chapek's time as head of Parks and Resorts.

Rocket was. No truly big project has been completed yet under Chapek’s tenure, the lead time tends to be 5-7 years.

 

[BrianLo]

On the hot take topic of clones... I’d be totally fine if WDW lost their Pirates ride.

HOWEVER - there is no point in now removing something that is at least functional in an under capacity park with varying degrees of inability to actually do better than a 1970’s attraction.

I actually think the only ethos of a Disney castle park needs to be a castle and a train.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I hate this mentality people have. And I completely missed your sarcasm with the eye roll so forgive me for the rant.

Why should every resort be homogenous? It’s not a McDonald’s, the experiences can be different. The resorts are also wildly different and have varying needs.

For example, because Radiator Springs is and was awesome, Florida should have foregone Pandora and just built Radiator Springs, because people have issues with not being able to experience everything at their home resort? WDW would be meaningfully worse without a proper AK expansion, DCA would become even more pointless.

Should Disneyland get a Toy Story Playland too so it’s not missing out?

The last time Disney took the strategy of true park homogenization they built Hong Kong Disneyland. It did not go over well because it simply is and never will be Walt’s Disneyland. Once they started to do their own thing it became wonderful.

Yes that means there are great things elsewhere people will never get to experience, but as long as your home resort gets its own great things designed for it, why is that a bad thing?

All rhetorical because I know you we’re being sarcastic now ha ha.

Yep. Noticed I haven’t joined in with everyone wanting this Beauty and the Beast ride to come to California. I don’t. I sure as hell don’t want a Frozen ride either, but let Tokyo have their own rides.

I don’t get jealous of offerings at other parks and resorts, probably because the only one I care about is Disneyland. I want unique things, but with the way things are going now, I’d rather they just stop coming up with new things in general for the parks.

 

[mickEblu]

I hate this mentality people have. And I completely missed your sarcasm with the eye roll so forgive me for the rant.

Why should every resort be homogenous? It’s not a McDonald’s, the experiences can be different. The resorts are also wildly different and have varying needs.

For example, because Radiator Springs is and was awesome, Florida should have foregone Pandora and just built Radiator Springs, because people have issues with not being able to experience everything at their home resort? WDW would be meaningfully worse without a proper AK expansion, DCA would become even more pointless.

Should Disneyland get a Toy Story Playland too so it’s not missing out?

The last time Disney took the strategy of true park homogenization they built Hong Kong Disneyland. It did not go over well because it simply is and never will be Walt’s Disneyland. Once they started to do their own thing it became wonderful.

Yes that means there are great things elsewhere people will never get to experience, but as long as your home resort gets its own great things designed for it, why is that a bad thing?

All rhetorical because I know you we’re being sarcastic now ha ha.

I don’t think it has to be so black and white. It’s nice for the resorts to have variety but their is nothing wrong with cloning some attractions... especially when they are continents apart. I’m pretty sure their are a few E tickets any one of us would trade at our home park for others across the world. So should one not wish for an attraction they know they would enjoy? Why not, for the sake of variety or the greater good? If I know I’ll get more value out of a BATB ride over Frozen Ever After (or insert Frozen Ride) why wouldn’t I want that? So Haruto from Tokyo can have a unique experience when he comes to DL?

Besides, your approach only works if all resorts are getting attractions/ lands of equal quality. So, I think I’ll have what the OLC serving up please.

Also, why should all the other parks get the best of DLR but not vice versa? Im specifically talking about attractions because as we know the spirit of DL cannot be transfered.

Their are certain attractions that define a castle park experience. POTC, HM, IASW, Jungle Cruise or slight variations of the above. So who’s to say that more castle park defining attractions don’t come along - like maybe BATB? Shanghai kind of broke the mold but I think it’s more of an anomaly because of its location.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

So Haruto from Tokyo can have a unique experience when he comes to DL?
.

No, so I have a unique experience when I go to Tokyo.

 

[mickEblu]

No, so I have a unique experience when I go to Tokyo.

So you’d rather have an inferior experience more often so you can have a unique experience once? That’s interesting but I guess it works for some people.

 

[The_Mesh_Hatter]

So you’d rather have an inferior experience more often so you can have a unique experience once? That’s interesting but I guess it works for some people.

I would rather DL not use any more of its remaining expansion space until someone with more vision is calling the shots, tbh.

 

[D.Silentu]

I generally support the idea that each Disney park have its own identity and unique experiences. I'm glad that Hong Kong is remodeling their castle! Yet, I understand and am nearly swept up in the rush of enthusiasm for this Beauty and the Beast attraction. The 'searching Belle' is a figurehead for the quality and innovation that is missing from the latest additions to Disneyland. This should be a time of great optimism, because by all acounts those things are coming with Galaxy's Edge and perhaps Marvel as well. However, both of those are johnny come lately to Disney and divisive in the enthusiasm they inspire.

So it seems natural that so many of us find this upcoming Beauty and the Beast ride a subject of envy. It really seems to possess all that we're craving and, in this era of branding, is based upon a Disney native. I'm apathetic to the rumors of the new Mickey Mouse ride, but I understand the appeal because it seems to fill this niche. I'm hopeful for something to come to Fantasyland sooner than later, comparable to Japan's upcoming ride. Note that the Matterhorn is the sole E-ticket in the land; I think the need is there. Certainly the desire is there, for a ride based on a classic film that will be destined to become a classic attraction.

 

[mickEblu]

I would rather DL not use any more of its remaining expansion space until someone with more vision is calling the shots, tbh.

Now this I can get behind.

 

[mickEblu]

I generally support the idea that each Disney park have its own identity and unique experiences. I'm glad that Hong Kong is remodeling their castle! Yet, I understand and am nearly swept up in the rush of enthusiasm for this Beauty and the Beast attraction. The 'searching Belle' is a figurehead for the quality and innovation that is missing from the latest additions to Disneyland. This should be a time of great optimism, because by all acounts those things are coming with Galaxy's Edge and perhaps Marvel as well. However, both of those are johnny come lately to Disney and divisive in the enthusiasm they inspire.

So it seems natural that so many of us find this upcoming Beauty and the Beast ride a subject of envy. It really seems to possess all that we're craving and, in this era of branding, is based upon a Disney native. I'm apathetic to the rumors of the new Mickey Mouse ride, but I understand the appeal because it seems to fill this niche. I'm hopeful for something to come to Fantasyland sooner than later, comparable to Japan's upcoming ride. Note that the Matterhorn is the sole E-ticket in the land; I think the need is there. Certainly the desire is there, for a ride based on a classic film that will be destined to become a classic attraction.

Well said.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

And Ursula, Mr. Potatoe Head, Rocket and Radiator Springs Racers... we just need them to realize they can do better and encourage them to do so. Consistently Jeer at them for not.

Those are certainly impressive. It's just that I'm not thrilled with the newest stuff Chapek is bringing to the table at DCA.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

I think most people would stop asking about a BATB Ride clone if there was something of equal quality being built and shown off in both resorts.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Did someone get banned? It seems a few posts have disappeared from this thread.

 

[BrianLo]

Besides, your approach only works if all resorts are getting attractions/ lands of equal quality. So, I think I’ll have what the OLC serving up please.

Of course! But your approach only works if resorts are getting attractions / lands of equal quality too...

We don’t have to share R&D to get good attractions, we need them to spend equally. Why can’t they create something equally good for Disneyland?

I totally appreciate not liking X, but preferring Y property. But one can still deliver a very similar menu item without just copy and pasting. Look no further than old versus new Pirates. Both are wonderful.

Besides... one cannot be a proponent of cloning without acknowledging the lack desire to clone was the direct reason this attraction came to be. OLC turned down Carsland and Pandora for this. Disney was up selling them hard on both. They turned down Galaxies Edge for their Fantasy Spring. All very strong and worthy lands in their own right. Meanwhile a Frozen ride can easily measure up to this Beauty and the Beast attraction. In fact, I think tokyo’s Frozen attraction might even wind up being their crown jewel if the scope and plans are accurate. Next thing we know people will be asking for that instead. The cycle goes on.

I think people who want clones just want something guaranteed to be ‘good’. But that’s not really the best thing for advancing the industry.

 

[mickEblu]

I think most people would stop asking about a BATB Ride clone if there was something of equal quality being built and shown off in both resorts.

Right. I think @D.Silentu said it best. BATB would fill a void we re craving at DLR. An E ticket dark ride based on a Classic Disney property. It’s why most of us are excited for the Mickey ride. It’s kind of filling that desire. And somehow because it’s not Marvel, Star Wars or Pixar, it makes us (or me at least) feel as if it’s an original attraction or at least feels like vintage DL... with some high tech upgrades of course. Not to mention the catchy and original theme song they re creating for the attraction.

SWL Will be quality but it’s not meeting this specific desire/ need.