Fantasmic! 2.0 Rumors, Speculation, Announcments

[SuddenStorm]

Not when you're unable to exit the park. That's just called a fire hazard. I wonder how many law suits need to occur for Disney to move the fireworks viewing area to a better spot.

I think it's safe to assume that Disney will nevermove the fireworks viewing away from the hub/main street. It's way too iconic.

The best option for those that are uncomfortable with the current viewing situation is too not view the fireworks- and avoid the problem altogether. This in turn would help alleviate the crowding issues, without having to resort to lawsuits.

From my experience, I attended once every few weeks during the 60th, would view PTN, F!, and DL Forever (From main street) in the same night, and never had issues leaving the park. If it was busy, they'd just open up the backstage area for people to leave through there.

 

[TP2000]

Not when you're unable to exit the park. That's just called a fire hazard. I wonder how many law suits need to occur for Disney to move the fireworks viewing area to a better spot.

There are lawsuits? I've never heard of that.

 

[Professortango1]

I think it's safe to assume that Disney will nevermove the fireworks viewing away from the hub/main street. It's way too iconic.

The best option for those that are uncomfortable with the current viewing situation is too not view the fireworks- and avoid the problem altogether. This in turn would help alleviate the crowding issues, without having to resort to lawsuits.

From my experience, I attended once every few weeks during the 60th, would view PTN, F!, and DL Forever (From main street) in the same night, and never had issues leaving the park. If it was busy, they'd just open up the backstage area for people to leave through there.

If you're stuck on the East side of Main Street, you can't exit backstage. You have to go all the way around the park before you can exit. I see strollers knocked over, people falling, and many angry folks as they are herded around. Plus, I don't pay $150 to walk around backstage. Once Disney gets enough lawsuits from folks harmed by these dangerous crowd control issues, they will have no choice but to figure out a better solution. Build an improved viewing area by Small World and only allow folks to watch from there. Perfect solution. Pulls firework folk to the extreme corner so they can enjoy and leaves the other 3/4 of the park free for guests to move about. Plus, it leaves Main Street open for people to enter and exit the park.

 

[Professortango1]

There are lawsuits? I've never heard of that.

I've seen plenty of people take spills and others throw punches now and then. If that ever happened to me, I know I'd hire a lawyer. Especially if any type of panic situation ever erupts (gun, explosion, fire, etc), that place would be a disaster. I see enough injuries as the result of no room, much less adding panic into the mix.

 

[Curious Constance]

I've seen plenty of people take spills and others throw punches now and then. If that ever happened to me, I know I'd hire a lawyer. Especially if any type of panic situation ever erupts (gun, explosion, fire, etc), that place would be a disaster. I see enough injuries as the result of no room, much less adding panic into the mix.

Be honest, how many people have you actually witnessed throwing punches at Disneyland due to crowding issues?

 

[Curious Constance]

I think the park becomes a pain in the butt around fireworks and parade time too, but I think you're exaggerating to prove your point.

 

[JoFu]

The overflow corridor was intentionally created for guests...it may not be the most themed area but it is not really backstage.

 

[Professortango1]

Be honest, how many people have you actually witnessed throwing punches at Disneyland due to crowding issues?

I've seen violent pushing and shoving about 60% of the time and I've seen it escalate probably about 10 times. The worst is when strollers with sleeping kids get pushed over and the kids take a spill. Then mama bear comes out and begins pushing people over. Saw that a few times near Frontierland as people were trying to swim upstream.

 

[Professortango1]

The overflow corridor was intentionally created for guests...it may not be the most themed area but it is not really backstage.

Overflow corridor is on the East side and is often one-way. Most times I go that area is open for guests entering, but guests exiting are routed behind Jungle Cruise. Neither area is attractive and show quality. Walt designed the park for folks to walk up Main Street to enter the realms, not to walk a construction wall path or backstage. If they had themed the corridor as they originally announced, it'd be slightly different as they'd still be storytelling. But they went cheap and it certainly feels that way when you walk through it.

 

[Curious Constance]

I've seen violent pushing and shoving about 60% of the time and I've seen it escalate probably about 10 times. The worst is when strollers with sleeping kids get pushed over and the kids take a spill. Then mama bear comes out and begins pushing people over. Saw that a few times near Frontierland as people were trying to swim upstream.

Do you go to Thug Nights or something? 60% of the time you see "violent" pushing and shoving???? I've probably climbed out of the Main St mess on 20 different occasions and never saw anything remotely physical occur. I've seen attitude and annoyance but never a push, shove, or punch.

 

[TP2000]

Do you go to Thug Nights or something? 60% of the time you see "violent" pushing and shoving???? I've probably climbed out of the Main St mess on 20 different occasions and never saw anything remotely physical occur. I've seen attitude and annoyance but never a push, shove, or punch.

Me too. I've been going to Disneyland for decades, and when it is really busy I have seen frustrated faces, and a few spousal arguments in snappy tones. But I have never seen physical violence or people yelling and pushing over strollers, or anything close to that.

There's usually some smartaleck in the crowd that makes a MOOO! noise though.

What nights are you going @Professortango1 that 60% of the time you see all this violence and phone calls to lawyers?!?

 

[SuddenStorm]

I've seen violent pushing and shoving about 60% of the time and I've seen it escalate probably about 10 times. The worst is when strollers with sleeping kids get pushed over and the kids take a spill. Then mama bear comes out and begins pushing people over. Saw that a few times near Frontierland as people were trying to swim upstream.

I can honestly say that you and I have had very different experiences while at Disneyland. Or, you're trolling.

 

[Curious Constance]

Me too. I've been going to Disneyland for decades, and when it is really busy I have seen frustrated faces, and a few spousal arguments in snappy tones. But I have never seen physical violence or people yelling and pushing over strollers, or anything close to that.

There's usually some smartaleck in the crowd that makes a MOOO! noise though.

What nights are you going @Professortango1 that 60% of the time you see all this violence and phone calls to lawyers?!?

Maybe it's because I'm always so dead tired at that time that I don't notice all of the sleeping babies that are getting violently pushed out of their strollers.

 

[Professortango1]

Me too. I've been going to Disneyland for decades, and when it is really busy I have seen frustrated faces, and a few spousal arguments in snappy tones. But I have never seen physical violence or people yelling and pushing over strollers, or anything close to that.

There's usually some smartaleck in the crowd that makes a MOOO! noise though.

What nights are you going @Professortango1 that 60% of the time you see all this violence and phone calls to lawyers?!?

I usually go holidays and weekend nights. This was a little while ago as I stopped entering Disneyland past dusk once the train was offline as it was the only way I could get around during nighttime events.

 

[TTA94]

I wouldn't call guests forced backstage/unable to exit the park, and the entire park being a one-way loop "fine." Disneyland really needs to move firework/parade stuff to IASW only to keep the hub and exit clear for guests not wishing to watch the shows. The parks are just too busy these days for Main Street to be a seating area for 2 nighttime spectaculars.

The decision to keep MSEP running when F! comes online probably wasn't very smart. They might regret that decision.

 

[Curious Constance]

I usually go holidays and weekend nights. This was a little while ago as I stopped entering Disneyland past dusk once the train was offline as it was the only way I could get around during nighttime events.

You should have mentioned this to begin with, holidays and weekends are when Disneyland's violent offender program is in effect.

 

[flynnibus]

If you're stuck on the East side of Main Street, you can't exit backstage. You have to go all the way around the park before you can exit. I see strollers knocked over, people falling, and many angry folks as they are herded around. Plus, I don't pay $150 to walk around backstage. Once Disney gets enough lawsuits from folks harmed by these dangerous crowd control issues, they will have no choice but to figure out a better solution. Build an improved viewing area by Small World and only allow folks to watch from there. Perfect solution. Pulls firework folk to the extreme corner so they can enjoy and leaves the other 3/4 of the park free for guests to move about. Plus, it leaves Main Street open for people to enter and exit the park.

Or... sooth people so they don't act like stampeding wildebeests?

 

[jrhwdw]

The decision to keep MSEP running when F! comes online probably wasn't very smart. They might regret that decision.

DL handled it from 1992-1996(in 1996 there might have been more people on MS USA than for F! for MSEP's Final Season!)Granted there was no pyro spectacular, just Fantasy In The Sky.

For the 60th, somehow DL did it with 3 spectaculars.

 

[Professortango1]

Or... sooth people so they don't act like stampeding wildebeests?

Don't treat people like cattle and they behave like them far less. Shove too many people in a small space, tire them out, and then tell them they can't leave, and people's fuses get quite short. A simple trip and stumble can set someone off and then a shoving match occurs. Its an ugly situation Disney has created and the poor CMs get the brunt of it.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Don't treat people like cattle and they behave like them far less. Shove too many people in a small space, tire them out, and then tell them they can't leave, and people's fuses get quite short. A simple trip and stumble can set someone off and then a shoving match occurs. Its an ugly situation Disney has created and the poor CMs get the brunt of it.

You're making it sound like Disney is forcing people to be there and watch the shows- everyone there chose to be there because it's fun.

And I've never once thought of starting a shoving match because someone tripped. Are you sure it isn't your fuse that's quite short? It sounds like you're projecting your own feelings on those around you, which in turn changes how you perceive the situation. If watching the fireworks, or being at the park at night, isn't something you enjoy doing- for whatever reason- then the easiest solution is to not be there for that.