Express Transportation starting Dec 7th

[FullSailDan]

As an IT security guy myself (And I used to do it for Dis Corp) I'm lost as to why this would be a security risk. It's for park hopping, you go from one secured location to another, through a secured transport. It's likened to using SSL in the IT world. If it made random stops in the middle sure, it's risky. If you think security wont be monitoring the buses closely and wont be going through guard monitored posts to reach the secured area, well then maybe?

 

[FullSailDan]

Agreed this opens a massive security hole because there is no way to guarantee that the busses remain 'secure' on the trips. So you will need to add the same security measures that you have at the main entrance.

Right.. no way to ensure. Other than the fact they WILL be monitored (All Disney owned buses on property already are) and there will be barriers to ensure if a bus should go rogue it will be stopped(There already area).

 

[ford91exploder]

Right.. no way to ensure. Other than the fact they WILL be monitored (All Disney owned buses on property already are) and there will be barriers to ensure if a bus should go rogue it will be stopped(There already area).

Why do you assume that the Driver/Maintenance staff can be trusted, It would be easy to sneak weapons onto a bus with the assistance of CM's and without a security checkpoint in to the park itself.

That's the problem with anything that leaves a security perimeter, Once it leaves it cannot be 'trusted' again until it is searched/cleared by security personnel.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Why do you assume that the Driver/Maintenance staff can be trusted, It would be easy to sneak weapons onto a bus with the assistance of CM's and without a security checkpoint in to the park itself.

That's the problem with anything that leaves a security perimeter, Once it leaves it cannot be 'trusted' again until it is searched/cleared by security personnel.

You honestly don't think that the buses are monitored along with the drivers? Even small bus companies do that.

 

[MrHappy]

How is this faster than normal bus transportation? Just that the Express bus picks you up backstage vs out on the curb with the rest of the buses? Is this a real time savings? I suppose it's all relative - MK for example, if you're in Adventureland and ready to leave, would the walk be the same or shorter to go to the regular buses vs the walk to Buzz for the Express bus (then assuming a decent walk from Buzz to the bus)????

Sorry if this was covered already.

 

[FullSailDan]

Why do you assume that the Driver/Maintenance staff can be trusted, It would be easy to sneak weapons onto a bus with the assistance of CM's and without a security checkpoint in to the park itself.

That's the problem with anything that leaves a security perimeter, Once it leaves it cannot be 'trusted' again until it is searched/cleared by security personnel.

Yes. We call this a known risk. There are measures in place to mitigate these risks. In this case, they will probably be screening the drivers and the buses before they are dispatched.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Was it confirmed anywhere that this actually PICKS UP and DROPS OFF backstage? I think that's completely misguided and thus I believe the last few pages of conversation are irrelevant.

The "express" nature of these routes is because they travel through backstage areas, i.e. take shortcuts, not that they pick you up and drop you off in backstage areas.

 

[JohnD]

Agreed this opens a massive security hole because there is no way to guarantee that the busses remain 'secure' on the trips. So you will need to add the same security measures that you have at the main entrance.

I don't read it that way. It says nothing about transportation from backstage to backstage. Just pickup at backstage. I would infer that drop off is still at regular bus stops and guests have to enter the parks through security and the main entrance.

 

[MrHappy]

Was it confirmed anywhere that this actually PICKS UP and DROPS OFF backstage? I think that's completely misguided and thus I believe the last few pages of conversation are irrelevant.

The "express" nature of these routes is because they travel through backstage areas, i.e. take shortcuts, not that they pick you up and drop you off in backstage areas.

I'm curious as well, all the article says is (typo and all): The Magic Kingdom pickup area will be by the Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin exit, Epcot near to Guest Relatiobs by Spaceship Earth, Disney's Hollywood Studios near to Rock n Roller Coaster courtyard, and near Kilimanjaro Safaris entrance at Disney's Animal Kingdom.
http://www.wdwmagic.com/transportat...cing-express-transportation-ticket-option.htm

 

[flynnibus]

Yes, they chose profit over "show" and quality as does almost every other public company

Well there was a reason companies like Disney STOOD OUT FROM THE CROWD. If you just do what everyone else does... how do you become a Disney?

Disney was entertaining, moving and feeding hundreds of thousands of people yearly not tens of millions.

ehh.. no. WDW had 10 million guests in its first year. http://www.wdwmagic.com/walt-disney-world-history.htm Yes the resort has grown, but let's not act like the 'good ol days' people are pointing to is some impossible past

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm curious as well, all the article says is (typo and all): The Magic Kingdom pickup area will be by the Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin exit, Epcot near to Guest Relatiobs by Spaceship Earth, Disney's Hollywood Studios near to Rock n Roller Coaster courtyard, and near Kilimanjaro Safaris entrance at Disney's Animal Kingdom.
http://www.wdwmagic.com/transportat...cing-express-transportation-ticket-option.htm

Yes but you cut off the first line:

Express Bus Transportation will pick guests up directly inside the parks, then by making use of backstage areas, will reach the destination faster than using the regular bus service.

 

[JohnD]

Yes but you cut off the first line:

Express Bus Transportation will pick guests up directly inside the parks, then by making use of backstage areas, will reach the destination faster than using the regular bus service.

Right. Using backstage areas/routes after pickup to deposit guests at the main bus stops of the next park.

 

[flynnibus]

Why do you assume that the Driver/Maintenance staff can be trusted, It would be easy to sneak weapons onto a bus with the assistance of CM's and without a security checkpoint in to the park itself.

That's the problem with anything that leaves a security perimeter, Once it leaves it cannot be 'trusted' again until it is searched/cleared by security personnel.

Please stop this.. you're arguing about adding weaknesses that already exist in the first place... aka just stirring up FUD. This is stupid to be debating levels of security when the place has very little boundary security in the first place.

 

[flynnibus]

Was it confirmed anywhere that this actually PICKS UP and DROPS OFF backstage? I think that's completely misguided and thus I believe the last few pages of conversation are irrelevant.

The "express" nature of these routes is because they travel through backstage areas, i.e. take shortcuts, not that they pick you up and drop you off in backstage areas.

Unless you don't trust @wdwmagic - yes it has been confirmed..

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Unless you don't trust @wdwmagic - yes it has been confirmed..

Link? The article mentions nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, it describes exactly the situation I postulated.

 

[JohnD]

Unless you don't trust @wdwmagic - yes it has been confirmed..

No, the only thing confirmed is guest pick up, not both pickup and drop off.

"Costing $15 per person for a single day, Express Bus Transportation will pick guests up directly inside the parks, then by making use of backstage areas, will reach the destination faster than using the regular bus service."
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I agree that backstage routes would be used to get guests to the next park. I think that it is 99.99% likely they would be dropped off at the main bus entrance of that park so that they have to go through security again.

 

[flynnibus]

Link? The article mentions nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, it describes exactly the situation I postulated.

Are you really trying to argue the difference about where you physically wait vs what you see on the bus? File this under irrelevant no matter the answer.

The issue of backstage and what that means (views, BoH, breaking show, and lack of entrance..) all still apply if you get on the bus waiting in front of a white wall in TL.. or standing behind the wall... because either way... you will enter the park through there and go through the backstage areas to/from.

If you mean the whole security tangent... yes if you dropped guests off up front it all becomes moot... but as I said previously... anyone who does this because they want to bypass security mid-day deserves to be separated from their money.

 

[JohnD]

Are you really trying to argue the difference about where you physically wait vs what you see on the bus? File this under irrelevant no matter the answer.

The issue of backstage and what that means (views, BoH, breaking show, and lack of entrance..) all still apply if you get on the bus waiting in front of a white wall in TL.. or standing behind the wall... because either way... you will enter the park through there and go through the backstage areas to/from.

He specifically asked has it been confirmed that both pickup and drop off are backstage. That was the question. You said it was confirmed but I don't think you realize he meant both pickup and drop off. We all agree on the route. That's not in dispute. The only thing "confirmed" is the pickup location.

 

[flynnibus]

No, the only thing confirmed is guest pick up, not both pickup and drop off.

"Costing $15 per person for a single day, Express Bus Transportation will pick guests up directly inside the parks, then by making use of backstage areas, will reach the destination faster than using the regular bus service."
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I agree that backstage routes would be used to get guests to the next park. I think that it is 99.99% likely they would be dropped off at the main bus entrance of that park so that they have to go through security again.

I thought they were talking about the whole backstage thing.. not so much the ridiculous security tangent. I'd love to see them drop them off at the main bus depots... just for the lulz after reading people's reviews of paying for this 'service'

 

[JohnD]

I thought they were talking about the whole backstage thing.. not so much the ridiculous security tangent. I'd love to see them drop them off at the main bus depots... just for the lulz after reading people's reviews of paying for this 'service'

@CaptainAmerica and I are making the point (well, Captain more so than me) that the recent discussion about security is moot in that only pickup is backstage. It uses whatever routes to get you to the next park. My contention is that drop off has to be at the main bus stop of the next park to ensure guests go back through security. The whole debate about keeping the bus secure the entire route is pointless.