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sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
OK, assume for the moment that I have not read any of the previous information about the yeti. I ask you to explain your personal knowledge of the yeti - why he's not working, why he's hard to fix, and why Disney doesn't go ahead and fix him. I have no agenda in this - I'm really trying hard to understand the situation, and I'm very willing to accept input from someone who knows more than I do.
It's crazy that he acts like he knows things. I mean, it's almost as if he was quoted in the very same article you posted or something...
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Fun fact: During my days working at the parks, they had an actual climb to the top of the mountain. Though I've never seen it myself, I've heard rumors of a basketball goal inside the mountain for Cast Members.
that's the other mountain I think, The Matterhorn at Disneyland.

*edit*
whoops, nevermind, didn't see it was answered already.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
OK, assume for the moment that I have not read any of the previous information about the yeti. I ask you to explain your personal knowledge of the yeti - why he's not working, why he's hard to fix, and why Disney doesn't go ahead and fix him. I have no agenda in this - I'm really trying hard to understand the situation, and I'm very willing to accept input from someone who knows more than I do.
There was an issue where continued use could crack part of the figure.

Legal are paranoid about anything above the ride path that moves and could fall without a physical safety backup.

It isn't hard to fix. The figure has been removed from the mountain and put back at least twice since 2007 when it first broke. And the mountain continued to open to guests.

It was removed since it is easy to do so. The figure is on a platform that's only 15-20 ft above the ground, with plenty of space around it. It comes down to the floor in a clean, bright hanger like area. And out the roller shutter on the back wall.

I'd hazard a guess unless DAK attendence dipped significantly there's a thought of why should they fix it when people will still ride it.
 

NormC

Well-Known Member
It isn't hard to fix. The figure has been removed from the mountain and put back at least twice since 2007 when it first broke. And the mountain continued to open to guests.
It was removed since it is easy to do so. The figure is on a platform that's only 15-20 ft above the ground, with plenty of space around it. It comes down to the floor in a clean, bright hanger like area. And out the roller shutter on the back wall.
Why not remove it and fix it without shutting ride down then? Put up a projection screen of a scary flashing yeti while the real one is out for repairs for the third time. I think this is what gives creedence to the fact that there is more to it the problem than just the animatronic.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
There was an issue where continued use could crack part of the figure.

Legal are paranoid about anything above the ride path that moves and could fall without a physical safety backup.

It isn't hard to fix. The figure has been removed from the mountain and put back at least twice since 2007 when it first broke. And the mountain continued to open to guests.

It was removed since it is easy to do so. The figure is on a platform that's only 15-20 ft above the ground, with plenty of space around it. It comes down to the floor in a clean, bright hanger like area. And out the roller shutter on the back wall.

I'd hazard a guess unless DAK attendence dipped significantly there's a thought of why should they fix it when people will still ride it.

So, in effect - legal is worried about an arm or something breaking off and falling on people?
The solution is therefore to shut off movement less cracks should appear and cause a failure in the AA?
As opposed to say putting a clear ceiling or netting between the Yeti and passengers. (I realize this would look tacky)
I know I'm over simplifying.
Thank you for the most informative post I've seen on this.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
There was an issue where continued use could crack part of the figure.

Legal are paranoid about anything above the ride path that moves and could fall without a physical safety backup.

It isn't hard to fix. The figure has been removed from the mountain and put back at least twice since 2007 when it first broke. And the mountain continued to open to guests.

It was removed since it is easy to do so. The figure is on a platform that's only 15-20 ft above the ground, with plenty of space around it. It comes down to the floor in a clean, bright hanger like area. And out the roller shutter on the back wall.

I'd hazard a guess unless DAK attendence dipped significantly there's a thought of why should they fix it when people will still ride it.
solution.. make a fake "rock" wall that the yeti will "break" as he swings.. the sled will not move.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
So when Joe Rohde's states on video that it is extremely complicated with the finished structure inside a finished structure argument, is he just lying on Disney's behalf? Nothing to do with a finished "tall tower foundation" inside the structure?
 

danyoung56

Well-Known Member
I think that's a valid question, Evan-500. With all due respect to Marni and his knowledge, I have a really hard time believing that the fix is easy, and they just don't do it cuz they're cheap. There is so much (online) publicity about this, and it's a huge black eye to Disney maintenance. While it's entirely possible that the sitch is as Marni states, I'm having a hard time buying it.
 

P_Radden

Well-Known Member
There was an issue where continued use could crack part of the figure.

Legal are paranoid about anything above the ride path that moves and could fall without a physical safety backup.

It isn't hard to fix. The figure has been removed from the mountain and put back at least twice since 2007 when it first broke. And the mountain continued to open to guests.

It was removed since it is easy to do so. The figure is on a platform that's only 15-20 ft above the ground, with plenty of space around it. It comes down to the floor in a clean, bright hanger like area. And out the roller shutter on the back wall.

I'd hazard a guess unless DAK attendence dipped significantly there's a thought of why should they fix it when people will still ride it.
I would love to see a pic of the room and tower platform inside Everest. I know, I'm a WDW operations and infrastructure nerd but it is interesting none the less.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I think that's a valid question, Evan-500. With all due respect to Marni and his knowledge, I have a really hard time believing that the fix is easy, and they just don't do it cuz they're cheap. There is so much (online) publicity about this, and it's a huge black eye to Disney maintenance. While it's entirely possible that the sitch is as Marni states, I'm having a hard time buying it.
No one said it was cheep or even easy, just that it can be done without a ride closure. @marni1971 can correct me if I am wrong, but there has also been a big debate as to who gets the bill. Park operations or WDI.
 
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Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I think that's a valid question, Evan-500. With all due respect to Marni and his knowledge, I have a really hard time believing that the fix is easy, and they just don't do it cuz they're cheap. There is so much (online) publicity about this, and it's a huge black eye to Disney maintenance. While it's entirely possible that the sitch is as Marni states, I'm having a hard time buying it.
just stop for a moment and remember how bad it was for POTC before they finally decided to do the extensive refurb.. and even then.. theres rumors that they did not do a full refurbishment as was planned and expected.
 

danyoung56

Well-Known Member
There's plenty of evidence that Disney has had bad periods in their maintenance programs. Look no further than the Columbia incident in DL, where a cleat pulled loose of some rotten boards and killed a guy (admittedly this catastrophe involved some poorly trained CMs who didn't follow proper docking procedures). Or look at the video of the Splash Mountain finale (don't know if it was DL or WDW) where all of the animatronics weren't working. AT ALL - just a bunch of big chickens and other barnyard animals standing there stock still! So yeah, I can believe that stuff breaks and doesn't get fixed. I'm just having a hard time believing that this incredibly high profile busted up yeti is totally easy to fix, but Disney doesn't fix it cuz of either money or cuz they just don't wanna. It makes no sense to me.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
There's plenty of evidence that Disney has had bad periods in their maintenance programs. Look no further than the Columbia incident in DL, where a cleat pulled loose of some rotten boards and killed a guy (admittedly this catastrophe involved some poorly trained CMs who didn't follow proper docking procedures). Or look at the video of the Splash Mountain finale (don't know if it was DL or WDW) where all of the animatronics weren't working. AT ALL - just a bunch of big chickens and other barnyard animals standing there stock still! So yeah, I can believe that stuff breaks and doesn't get fixed. I'm just having a hard time believing that this incredibly high profile busted up yeti is totally easy to fix, but Disney doesn't fix it cuz of either money or cuz they just don't wanna. It makes no sense to me.
Lets just say you drive a cab and the 12v outlet in the rear driver side does not work. It will cost $500 to fix it. It wont be too hard to fix, just swap out a $350 control board and 1 hour of labor.

However, no one ever uses the thing. The only reason you even know it does not work one fare out of the thousands you see every year tried to plug his cell phone into it and it did not work. Sure he complains about it from time to time, but every other fare you pick up could care less. Do you still drop the $500 to fix it?

Disney is in the same boat. They have a broken AA that while fixable, will cost a pretty penny to do so. 99% of the people that ride E:E don't even know it is broken. The ride still operates at operates 100% capacity 365 days a year so the Yeti being broken is not effecting their profit in the slightest. The only motivation there is for fixing it is good show.

Now do you see why they are not in a hurry to fix it, even if it can be done?
 

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