Expedition Everest drop, in excess of 100ft!

RIPHorizons

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goofyfan13 said:
Yea, I agree it does sound weird, because the Gemini at Cedar Point has a 118 ft drop, and is a steel coaster, with a top speed of 60 mph. There are probobly plenty of elements though that we aren't accounting for, who knows. I know for Millenium Force at CP they raised the posted speed the year after it opened, granted it was from 92 to 93 mph, and while it isn't that big of an increase it shows that a ride can travel faster than expected.

Well if the physics of a roller coaster are on the same idea of an airplane, curves would slow it down. Sometimes when on an initial approach a 747 or any other make, can take wide S pattern turns left to right for example. This helps to drop the speed of the plane.
Maybe its the same for a coaster just on a different scale.
 

goofyfan13

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RIPHorizons said:
Well if the physics of a roller coaster are on the same idea of an airplane, curves would slow it down. Sometimes when on an initial approach a 747 or any other make, can take wide S pattern turns left to right for example. This helps to drop the speed of the plane.
Maybe its the same for a coaster just on a different scale.

Could be. On the airplane note, I prefer to do slips. In laymans terms, its a manuever where you tilt the wings and turn the plane almost sideways to loose altitude fast when on approach, of course 747's can't do it, but it's fun to do in a Cessna. :)
 

RIPHorizons

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goofyfan13 said:
Could be. On the airplane note, I prefer to do slips. In laymans terms, its a manuever where you tilt the wings and turn the plane almost sideways to loose altitude fast when on approach, of course 747's can't do it, but it's fun to do in a Cessna. :)

I have seen that and actually experienced it. The first time my buddy did it, I screamed like a girl. Scared the heck out me... love when he does it now. As long as he tells me ha.
 

animal_king1990

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But how does EE use the the S curve to reduce speed? Do you mean the curve on the bottom of the drop? But the speed should at least be higher then 50 mph becuase after the drop, the speed will continue to increase(but not as much) by going through the curve which means 50 mph is unlikely. Just my thoughts
 

imagineer boy

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warlord said:
Wow, so did Thrawn just get banned??

don't hurt me :dazzle:

YOU DARE QUESTION THE ALL MIGHTY STEVE?!!!!!!?!!?!?!:fork: :fork: :fork:

( j/k ) Actually, it just looks like he took away his WDWmagic pass. No more fancy badge for Thrawn!
 

mountainmaster1

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The first Disney coaster to have a drop over 100 ft:eek:
This is a great day indeed.:D

This now adds credit to the monorail operator who said that EE would travel in excess of 70mph, although he may still be wrong.
 

RIPHorizons

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animal_king1990 said:
But how does EE use the the S curve to reduce speed? Do you mean the curve on the bottom of the drop? But the speed should at least be higher then 50 mph becuase after the drop, the speed will continue to increase(but not as much) by going through the curve which means 50 mph is unlikely. Just my thoughts

Im saying that there could be an element in the mountain that has some type of curve that could slow the train, either before of after the curved outside part that was discussed.
Sorry, I guess I didnt convey my ideas clear enough. :hammer:
 

PlaneJane

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In the Parks
No
Lee said:
Nope...Cali Screamin' was first at 108ft.:cool:

I think it also wins the award for least themed coaster ever (IMO making it look like a woodie doesn't count)
while everest wins most themed :D
 

animal_king1990

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RIPHorizons said:
Im saying that there could be an element in the mountain that has some type of curve that could slow the train, either before of after the curved outside part that was discussed.
Sorry, I guess I didnt convey my ideas clear enough. :hammer:

Doesn't it go into the drop right after the second switch track and then into a swooping curve at the bottom of the drop? It should reach about 50 at the end of the drop and then maybe more in the curve downwards?
 

goofyfan13

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RIPHorizons said:
I have seen that and actually experienced it. The first time my buddy did it, I screamed like a girl. Scared the heck out me... love when he does it now. As long as he tells me ha.

I can understand how that can scare people, it is amazing though how fast the airplane regains it's normal forward motion when you pull out of the manuever.


Sorry about the drift.:brick:
 

Sledge

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wdwmagic said:
You talk about things with an air of authority, when you really dont know what you are talking about. You take little things that you read on the forum, and then present them as fact, when a lot of them have no credibility in the first place. You even then have the nerve to argue with people, using your assumptions as the basis of the argument. Your recent constant arguing over the height of the drop is just rediculous. Each thread that you take part in turns into you trying to "out-fact" another poster, and half of the time, you are flat out wrong, or are just widely assuming things. To be honest, I find your posts incredibly irritating and annoying, full of mis-information, and arrogant. I think you need to find another forum to post in. Your WDWMAGICPass will be refunded.

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

About bloody freaking time someone higher up put him in his place. God I love that. That made me so happy to read. :lol:
 

RIPHorizons

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goofyfan13 said:
I can understand how that can scare people, it is amazing though how fast the airplane regains it's normal forward motion when you pull out of the manuever.


Sorry about the drift.:brick:

For me it was a control issue. I didnt have any control of the situation so I went crazy.
 

Budahman

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My 2 cents.....

1) Them seats on EE don't look very roomy to me. The leg room in between the seats looks comparable to airplanes. Which isn't much. I'm 6'6", and I might be alittle squished in there.

2) I hate when I have to let my wife ride the attractions first to make sure I'd be ok riding it. I have a slight fear of heights and the newly reported 100+ drop seems alittle high to me. :eek:

3) Just to confirm, Even though I'm :cool: I can still be a wuss. :)
 

animal_king1990

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112 ft is really not that much. It's over in a matter of seconds. If you can stand Splash Mountain, EE shouldn't be much of a problem. There's only 1 big drop if I remember correctly.
 

Madison

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So, I was writing an intensely long physics lesson for y'all about what some of these numbers mean, but I don't know that it'll be useful since I doubt anyone would get through it. That said, let me share its highlights:

-I've studied mechanically engineering and am responsible for the design and manufacture of competition robots.
-I teach high school students about physics and engineering while I do this.
-I don't know anything, but am pretty capable of inferring things; at least, moreso than many.

-Everest is listed as a 120' lift.
-Given that, a 112' drop represents only an 8' net descent throughout the first part of the ride, including both switchbacks and an upward helix.
-All roller coasters have a 'friction slope,' or the average rate of descent required over a given length to ensure the train is not slowed by friction to such a point where it stops moving forward. Failure to meet this friction slope means your ride will not work -- unless it's a shuttle coaster, anyway. If you look at Everest in part, it can be a shuttle coaster due to its switchbacks, but as a whole, it is a continuous circuit and must answer to the friction slope.
-No point of the coaster can be higher than its lift. Newton said so.
-The second switchback is just before the drop and is, therefore, at or above a height of 112'.
-A 1/2% friction slope would mean that there's no less than 1600' of track before the drop -- 6" net descent per 100' of track.
-Without seeing the blueprints, the Common Point files, or knowing both Vekoma's typical friction slope and the length of track between the top of the lift and the top of this drop, there's no good way of inferring its true height. Even with that information, it'd require some pretty big assumptions.

Also, for the record, turns will not slow a coaster down appreciably more than it would slow in a straight line. Friction in the wheel assemblies and friction between those wheels and the track slow the train, as well as friction against the air. In reality, a train passing through a curve is typically exerting something greater than 1G of force through its wheels and the resultant force of friction increases as a result. Thus, appropriately banked curves can slow the ride down a bit faster.

The S-turns you referred to when speaking about aircraft are not, to my knowledge, to reduce airspeed but to increase separation between aircraft. If a plane ahead hasn't cleared the runway quickly enough, or if the following aircraft is traveling much faster than that in front of it, the separation must be increased or maintained, respectively, to fall within FAA guidelines and keep things safe. The plane travels at the same speed, but does so over a longer distance, thus taking longer to reach its destination.

I wouldn't say unequivocally that the turns do not do something to slow the plane down when examined in isolation, however. I just don't know enough about airplane behavior to go that far.
 

animal_king1990

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Madison said:
So, I was writing an intensely long physics lesson for y'all about what some of these numbers mean, but I don't know that it'll be useful since I doubt anyone would get through it. That said, let me share its highlights:

-I've studied mechanically engineering and am responsible for the design and manufacture of competition robots.
-I teach high school students about physics and engineering while I do this.
-I don't know anything, but am pretty capable of inferring things; at least, moreso than many.

-Everest is listed as a 120' lift.
-Given that, a 112' drop represents only an 8' net descent throughout the first part of the ride, including both switchbacks and an upward helix.
-All roller coasters have a 'friction slope,' or the average rate of descent required over a given length to ensure the train is not slowed by friction to such a point where it stops moving forward. Failure to meet this friction slope means your ride will not work -- unless it's a shuttle coaster, anyway. If you look at Everest in part, it can be a shuttle coaster due to its switchbacks, but as a whole, it is a continuous circuit and must answer to the friction slope.
-No point of the coaster can be higher than its lift. Newton said so.
-The second switchback is just before the drop and is, therefore, at or above a height of 112'.
-A 1/2% friction slope would mean that there's no less than 1600' of track before the drop -- 6" net descent per 100' of track.
-Without seeing the blueprints, the Common Point files, or knowing both Vekoma's typical friction slope and the length of track between the top of the lift and the top of this drop, there's no good way of inferring its true height. Even with that information, it'd require some pretty big assumptions.

Also, for the record, turns will not slow a coaster down appreciably more than it would slow in a straight line. Friction in the wheel assemblies and friction between those wheels and the track slow the train, as well as friction against the air. In reality, a train passing through a curve is typically exerting something greater than 1G of force through its wheels and the resultant force of friction increases as a result. Thus, appropriately banked curves can slow the ride down a bit faster.

The S-turns you referred to when speaking about aircraft are not, to my knowledge, to reduce airspeed but to increase separation between aircraft. If a plane ahead hasn't cleared the runway quickly enough, or if the following aircraft is traveling much faster than that in front of it, the separation must be increased or maintained, respectively, to fall within FAA guidelines and keep things safe. The plane travels at the same speed, but does so over a longer distance, thus taking longer to reach its destination.

I wouldn't say unequivocally that the turns do not do something to slow the plane down when examined in isolation, however. I just don't know enough about airplane behavior to go that far.

So would you argree that 50 mph is a bit slow for a coaster with a descent of 112 ft considering that it accelerates just like any ordinary coaster?
 

Madison

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animal_king1990 said:
So would you argree that 50 mph is a bit slow for a coaster with a descent of 112 ft considering that it accelerates just like any ordinary coaster?

I can't know for certain without knowing the friction slope for the ride, but based on existing rides of similar size, no -- I do not believe 50-55 MPH to be an unreasonable number.
 

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