Expect more premium events with recent organizational changes

[ford91exploder]

Yes. But what you have to remember is not everyone does open to close at a park. We did 2 MVMCP days where we only had "regular tickets". Both were enjoyable.

Many of my favorite activites and meals have already been nuked from orbit by Disney. Dont worry they will get around to your favorites soon enough when budget pressure increases sufficiently

Then tell me how Disney adds to the experience by subtracting from the Disney experience

 

[The_Jobu]

No I don't. I've only been twice in the past 6 years.

You wouldn't think so with all your anecdotes about poolside lounging and paid extras.

 

[Kman101]

lol this thread ...

 

[21stamps]

You wouldn't think so with all your anecdotes about poolside lounging and paid extras.

I've been to Disney world 30+ times. But only twice with my child.. 9 and 10 night trips. Neither one of them were spent at parks from open to close, both had a couple of extras.
If I wanted to be at a park all day long I would stay closer to home, I try to make Disney a vacation more than just theme parks.

That said, I realize that some people love being park commandos.. that's great too. I just don't understand why people make a huge deal about extra events that don't really impact them, or are easy to work around.
I'm going to say the cliche- it's a business.
Because, it is. They don't owe you more.. it's your choice to make the best of your time, or hold ill feelings because someone is doing something that you aren't. (General you)

Life's too short for wasted stress, wrinkles can come from plenty of other life situations.
Life is probably too short for me to take part in these type of threads as well..lol. I don't know why I always choose to get involved with them.. maybe t just makes me sad that so many people choose to be angry over a very minor and inconsequential thing such as Disney 'extras'

 

[The_Jobu]

I've been to Disney world 30+ times.

Well there you go. I've been thrice in my life, so I want all I can squeeze out of my ticket.

I just don't understand why people make a huge deal about extra events that don't really impact them

This is us explaining that we feel they impact us. They don't impact you, some of us are in a different boat. What you feel about extras is different than what others feel.

it just makes me sad that so many people choose to be angry

It's an internet forum, where we're discussing premium events in the premium events thread. No one's angry, we're having a discussion, no reason to be sad.

 

[pax_65]

These little premium events also demonstrate the cultural shift at Disney that short-term profits are more important than long-term guest satisfaction and loyalty. Disney built their reputation for putting guests first. They used to hold professional seminars on it, to help other companies raise their standards to exceed customer expectations. With the exception of some cast members who still follow those principles, that philosophy is largely GONE. For many of us, that philosophy was what made us fall in love with Disney in the first place. Speaking for myself, it's a big part of why I bought into DVC and why I've vacationed there dozens of times over the past two decades.

I enjoy the parks but I'm not fanatical about it. FP+ and premium events that cut hours make the park more crowded - so I'm enjoying the parks less. I'm visiting less frequently and spending less.

 

[21stamps]

Well there you go. I've been thrice in my life, so I want all I can squeeze out of my ticket.



This is us explaining that we feel they impact us. They don't impact you, some of us are in a different boat. What you feel about extras is different than what others feel.



It's an internet forum, where we're discussing premium events in the premium events thread. No one's angry, we're having a discussion, no reason to be sad.

I understand explaining how you feel. But, from what I've seen here, the people who complain the loudest about things like holiday parties and Disney after hours are people who don't even have trips during those times anyway. And if they do, they knew about them well beforehand and chose to go anyway.

Because it's an Internet forum there are people here who are planning trips.. they read a ton of negative about something and maybe decide to skip, or go on different dates- because they think it will be a huge deal.
I've seen people post that they are "skipping DS because they read here about the park being half closed and a construction zone"
Those people made a bad choice based on bad information, but in the end -yes, their decision does fall on them alone. Skip DS if you don't like the park, or nothing there sounds interesting to you, not because of bad information.

Same with holiday parties. Last year was my first time ever being at Disney World during the Christmas holidays. By far my favorite trip ever- and it was the shortest park hours, at multiple parks, than any trip before. HS closed at 7. Resort prices and ticket prices are higher that time of year, but again- still the most amazing time regardless of park hours.
The parties did not negatively impact us, and they didn't negatively impact anyone in my planning groups or people I know who have been before.
I think it's ok to point out what those times of the year are actually like.

 

[pax_65]

If you're ok with the MK being closed for 4 nights during your vacation, by all means go to WDW in December. We used to go every year to enjoy all the holiday decorations, events, etc., but we enjoy the MK too much. So we're done.

 

[21stamps]

These little premium events also demonstrate the cultural shift at Disney that short-term profits are more important than long-term guest satisfaction and loyalty. Disney built their reputation for putting guests first. They used to hold professional seminars on it, to help other companies raise their standards to exceed customer expectations. With the exception of some cast members who still follow those principles, that philosophy is largely GONE. For many of us, that philosophy was what made us fall in love with Disney in the first place. Speaking for myself, it's a big part of why I bought into DVC and why I've vacationed there dozens of times over the past two decades.

I enjoy the parks but I'm not fanatical about it. FP+ and premium events that cut hours make the park more crowded - so I'm enjoying the parks less. I'm visiting less frequently and spending less.

I understand your point. If upcharge options and extras weren't so common everywhere in the entertainment industry then I would probably have a problem with Disney adding them too. But we've seen a major cultural shift in society- people want and are willing to pay for convenience and for something extra special, a company has to know their market and supply accordingly.
Blame society and impatience

 

[Jedi Stitch]

Except the entire concept of a "money-grab" is nonsense. Disney can't, by definition, "grab" your money. It's a voluntary exchange. In order to GET the guest's money, Disney has to GIVE the guest something they want. It's a mutually beneficial transaction.

Guest who participates - Has a new experience (positive for the guest)
Disney - Makes more money (positive for Disney)
Guest who does not participate - Literally nothing happens (neutral)

So these offerings are positive to two parties and neutral to everyone else. Meaning there's literally nothing negative to complain about.

Hey Cap, the neutral part might be just a bit in error. These events take up space that was once offered to the general ticket holder to watch said event. Isn't the fireworks dessert party on the TL terrace? That was space used to watch the show with out premium attached. Yes, I agree you can spend to have a little better experience, but at what cost. If these premium events are going to be offered, it should be with new built space, other wise Disney is making a cast system, where the general admission guest get to stand in the liberty square sewer to see something, while the fast pass has lawn and the ones who knew had great spots now have to shell extra $$ to stand where they used to stand for the show.
Yes Agree , Guest pay for privilege, disney gets more money, but dont pay for privalige, usally dont get the full benifet of the show.

 

[The_Jobu]

Those people made a bad choice based on bad information

It's not on you to say their choice was bad. These are your feelings, not truth. Maybe those people saved some money and spent a second day at EPCOT and feel they got more for their dollar? People are discussing their experiences, some different than yours.

I think it's ok to point out what those times of the year are actually like.

Again, these are your feelings, not what anything is "actually like". You've been loads of times, so enjoying a half day during Christmas is great and refreshing. That's good, I'm happy you and your family had a good time. But that's you and your experience, not everyone else's. I would never pay full price for a half day at the park so I avoided those days.

 

[The_Jobu]

general admission guest get to stand in the liberty square sewer

That makes so much more sense to me after I learned what the long brown sections of the ground represented.

 

[21stamps]

It's not on you to say their choice was bad. These are your feelings, not truth. Maybe those people saved some money and spent a second day at EPCOT and feel they got more for their dollar? People are discussing their experiences, some different than yours.



Again, these are your feelings, not what anything is "actually like". You've been loads of times, so enjoying a half day during Christmas is great and refreshing. That's good, I'm happy you and your family had a good time. But that's you and your experience, not everyone else's. I would never pay full price for a half day at the park so I avoided those days.

I wouldn't pay full price during one of those days either. I'm not crazy. I think tickets were $125 or something on a Sunday that we went.. I had a friend visiting who had to be on the road by 11am, she was going to go for a few hours in the morning and do EMM with us.. she didn't want to pay for both for a total of 3 hours. I don't blame her.lol.

Re: HS. Choosing to skip based on information that it's a half closed construction zone is a bad decision.. because it's based on bad untrue info. Skipping because you checked the website and nothing interests you, so you double up on Epcot- that's a fine choice.

 

[21stamps]

I'll add to the above that she spent well over $125 on drinks and food the prior day.. so "value" is more important than "cost".
Value is very personal. If people feel they don't see value in something, definitely don't do it.

I'll spend over $300 on a cabana to watch a football game.. but I won't buy a one day park to park + express pass at Universal.lol

 

[The_Jobu]

I think tickets were $125

I'm confused. Isn't that the full price for a day? You spent $125 for a morning and afternoon in the MK and then spent a lot on drinks the day before?

because it's based on bad untrue info

That's what discussions are for. People that went felt that they ran out of things to do by mid day, they shared their feelings without lying. Some people adjusted their plans accordingly. Maybe they would have found HS to be their favourite park, maybe they would have been bored like the people who posted, but it's what we do in the forums.

but I won't buy a one day park to park + express pass at Universal.lol

I think we're arguing the same thing now.

 

[21stamps]

I'm confused. Isn't that the full price for a day? You spent $125 for a morning and afternoon in the MK and then spent a lot on drinks the day before?



That's what discussions are for. People that went felt that they ran out of things to do by mid day, they shared their feelings without lying. Some people adjusted their plans accordingly. Maybe they would have found HS to be their favourite park, maybe they would have been bored like the people who posted, but it's what we do in the forums.

No. I had an AP, kiddo had 7 day pass... so we weren't paying $125 per day. My friend was visiting for 2 days, she didn't have tickets...so she would have been a Single Day ticket + the $59 or whatever EMM costs.(can't remember exact price for that event)

HS is not a construction zone, and it's not half closed. Those 2 things are untrue. Someone being bored can very well be true... still doesn't mean they walked around a half closed park in a construction zone.

 

[Bocabear]

DHS is a half closed park.... it is a simple as that! and there is currently a lot of construction going on too...
So those things are actually kinda true... wait until Great Movie Ride closes and they are down to 4 rides in the park...

 

[jakeman]

No. I had an AP, kiddo had 7 day pass... so we weren't paying $125 per day. My friend was visiting for 2 days, she didn't have tickets...so she would have been a Single Day ticket + the $59 or whatever EMM costs.(can't remember exact price for that event)

HS is not a construction zone, and it's not half closed. Those 2 things are untrue. Someone being bored can very well be true... still doesn't mean they walked around a half closed park in a construction zone.

I think you can say that close to half the park that was there in 2015 is no longer there:

 

[The_Jobu]

No. I had an AP, kiddo had 7 day pass... so we weren't paying $125 per day. My friend was visiting for 2 days, she didn't have tickets...so she would have been a Single Day ticket + the $59 or whatever EMM costs.

So your friend paid full price plus extra to be in the park until 6pm? I hope they had a good time, but I would never do that.

HS is not a construction zone, and it's not half closed. Those 2 things are untrue. Someone being bored can very well be true... still doesn't mean they walked around a half closed park in a construction zone.

Some people exaggerate, sure, it would be dumb to take internet posts as absolute truth, in this case about HS, but back to the original point we were discussing, people were sharing their feelings about the park closing early. That is what happened, that is what they felt and they said so. You shouldn't be upset if people avoid those days because people on here said it was a downer for them. They might even enjoy the information and plan accordingly.

 

[The_Jobu]

I think you can say that close to half the park that was there in 2015 is no longer there:

Very pretty photo.