"Escape from Tomorrow" guerilla film shot inside WDW

flynnibus

Premium Member
If Disney is the cinematic giant that fanboys suggest it is (and to an extent I agree that Disney is at least one of the giants), then it's simply foolish to believe that Disney had no idea about the subject film until after it was published at a festival as famous as Sundance.

Based on what? You think Disney is actually a police state and has total control and insight into anyone interested in making a film anywhere in the world?

Which do you think is foolish - the idea they knew about it and took a stance to never contact the guy? Or the idea that Disney would not have any idea about a film that was assembled OFFSHORE in Korea.

What makes you think Disney has influence everywhere in the world - especially when people are EXPLICITLY trying to keep themselves hidden from Disney?
 

ryguy

Well-Known Member
Do you think Disney would ever not allow hand held cameras? I could see them allowing camera phones. Then those who want a more professional photo would be pushed to using Disney's Photo Pass. It's kinda a win, win for Disney.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
Here is Jimmy's take on the subject.

* Many articles comment on how this film was shot illegaly on Disney property. Even the Director has made this statement. I doubt this film will see the light of day outside Sundance.

Illegaly is being used as a term of art in this context to mean nothing more than "in violation of Disney policies." As far as the actual law is concerned, there is nothing illegal about it.

* The film is a comedy from the reviews I have read with a disturbing final act. That kinda blows the whole dark storytelling angle people are trying to portray out the water. It's also a B movie, right up there with Attack of the Killer Tomatos, The Toxic Avenger and Snakes on a Plane. But it really don't matter, outside of Sundance, this thing won't play at any theatre.
I haven't seen it nor read any reviews...however I have a feeling the legality of the filming (what civil laws they might have violated...copyright or trademark) seems way more interesting.

* When, not if, Disney decides to kill this film, it does nothing to Disney's reputation. Disney does not look bad, Disney does not look like the huge media giant stopping the little guy from trying to make art. The are just sensible business men/women protecting their intrests.
Disney has no power here. Unless there is a copyright/trademark violation (and even then Fair-use could potentially apply), Disney is out of luck. They could always buy the film and shelve, but the filmmaker would have to be willing to sell it, first. And Disney is just barely the most profitable media giant...Comcast actually has larger revenue...which means they actually spend the money they make.

* Did I mention outside of Sundance this film won't see the light of day?
Remains to be seen. If Disney stays quiet, I have a feeling you're right. If Disney makes noise, I guarantee one of their competitors will buy it and release it.

* Calling the filmmaker a genuis is really a absurd statement. Putting some guy who filmed a movie that will never see the light of day outside of Sundance beside people like Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, George Washington Carver among others, is rather laughable. Ask yourself this question before calling someone a genuis. "Did someone create something more important than the modern toilet?". If the answer is no, then chances are calling them a genuis deserves to be flushed down that toilet.
I'll agree here. As someone who studied Chemistry and mathematics as an undergrad, it infuriates me when filmmakers/actors are called genius. The man who invented the camera: genius! The man who points it at something: lucky shot.

* The only way this movie will be seen, if it can be seen outside of Sundance, is if the filmmaker decides to put it online for free. Disney will block it when/if it happens, so keep your Youtube fingers at the ready.
My above-scenario is most-likely. However, should the filmmaker put it online and Disney raises an issue, at most they would get a Temporary Restraining Order...and then lose at the hearing to make it permanent.

* I believe the whole thing was designed to draw attention to the filmmaker, who in my opinion knew this film would never see the light of day outside of Sundance.
I'm not sure you entirely wrong there. It has the vibe that the filmmaker did this as a ploy. Not saying he did, but the way it's being reported definitely puts the filmmaking method above the film itself. And you keep saying it won't be seen outside Sundance. As I keep saying, if Diseny makes noise, I assure you that will not be the case.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
In response to Ryguy: Nope. Not worth the hassle of shaming/preventing guest enjoyment because happy comfortable guests spend more money than forced guests.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
A review from someone who has actually see the movie:

I absolutely loved the satirical humor in the first 2/3 of the movie. There were so many well-written scenes that really feel authentic to what a "not-so-magical" day at the "Happiest Place on Earth" is like. The film's final act is what will polarize audiences. You'll either love or hate the bizarre turn this takes. Even though this "line between fantasy and reality" is set up throughout the movie, it turns into something I personally found hard to enjoy. Not only could I not make heads or tails of the ending, it just stopped being funny and resorted to gross-out humor.

http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/1/2...scape-from-tomorrow-unauthorized-film-sh.html

Hardly sounds like a serious film, more like a B movie that has no direction.

Just because a film has humor in it does NOT make it a comedy.
 

Timekeeper

Well-Known Member
Do you think Disney would ever not allow hand held cameras? I could see them allowing camera phones. Then those who want a more professional photo would be pushed to using Disney's Photo Pass. It's kinda a win, win for Disney.

But alas, technology will always continue to evolve. Shoulder mounted VHS video camcorders didn't seem like too long ago... and how we have HD video built into virtually all smartphones. They could implement some arbitrary policy like those of other venues (e.g. no cameras with removable lenses), but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. There are plenty of brilliant short films on Vimeo that were shot exclusively on iPhones. And the countless guests that would be annoyed by such a policy (no cameras on their vacation that they saved money for 10 years and traveled half way around the world for?) wouldn't be worthwhile, just to discourage (and not actually prevent) the once-in-a-blue-moon artist who decides to create something related to being on property.
 

MickeyPeace

Well-Known Member
Here is an interview with the lead actor of Escape From Tomorrow at Sundance-
You will learn a lot of new info if you can endure the nervous twitches and energy of the interviewer.



The pool scene was not shot at the parks.
 

GrumpyFan

Well-Known Member
A review from someone who has actually see the movie:

I absolutely loved the satirical humor in the first 2/3 of the movie. There were so many well-written scenes that really feel authentic to what a "not-so-magical" day at the "Happiest Place on Earth" is like. The film's final act is what will polarize audiences. You'll either love or hate the bizarre turn this takes. Even though this "line between fantasy and reality" is set up throughout the movie, it turns into something I personally found hard to enjoy. Not only could I not make heads or tails of the ending, it just stopped being funny and resorted to gross-out humor.

http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/1/2...scape-from-tomorrow-unauthorized-film-sh.html

Hardly sounds like a serious film, more like a B movie that has no direction.

I guess it's a matter of opinion then, as someone at FilmschoolRejects, said:

While a dark take on a place known for happiness may seem like an odd idea, it almost makes sense when seen through the eyes of a man who thinks he has nothing to go back to once the vacation is over and finds himself giving in to his more sinister thoughts and desires. Writer/director Randy Moore‘s choice to film in black-and-white helped give the film a slightly foreboding feel (especially when focusing on the scarier parts of the rides), but it also stripped the park of its bright and happy colors, muting things into an almost blank canvas for Moore to paint his own vision on. Escape From Tomorrow is certainly not for everyone, but it is a trip watching a man breaking down in a place created to escape your problems and troubles, not draw them out.

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/reviews/sundance-2013-review-escape-from-tomorrow-alori.php

Just sounded like tragedy to me...

Ouch, now you're putting this guy along the side of true filmmaking genuis like Welles, Spielburg, Griffith among others?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Sounds crazy, I know, but I base it off this, which I posted earlier:

The cinematographer and AD conducted intensive location scouting, with every shot exhaustively planned and blocked in advance. They even charted the position of the sun weeks in advance for each shot of the movie to make up for the lack of lighting equipment. Sound was recorded without an on-set sound mixer, sometimes using smart phones, and sometimes using digital recorders taped to each actor, which would record an entire day’s worth of audio, which editors had to sort through afterward…

I know it doesn't necessarily put him in the same category as some of the other filmmakers you pointed out, but you must admit that it was rather innovative, and to film for 10+ days without tipping Disney security, is impressive to me, making me want to see it just for these reasons alone.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
Where is Napster now?


Jimmy Thick- Bad analogy.
Napster was the test case. Even with all the legal wrangling, peer-to-peer services are NOT illegal. There are plenty of services that tookover when Napster failed. And if the filmmaker himself shares the film via peer-to-peer services or YouTube, there most certainly is NO copyright infringement.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
Based on what? You think Disney is actually a police state and has total control and insight into anyone interested in making a film anywhere in the world?

Which do you think is foolish - the idea they knew about it and took a stance to never contact the guy? Or the idea that Disney would not have any idea about a film that was assembled OFFSHORE in Korea.

What makes you think Disney has influence everywhere in the world - especially when people are EXPLICITLY trying to keep themselves hidden from Disney?
Hollywood is like a large high school: there is no such thing as a secret. They would have known or at the very least would have been aware that such a film would be debuting.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
Do you think Disney would ever not allow hand held cameras? I could see them allowing camera phones. Then those who want a more professional photo would be pushed to using Disney's Photo Pass. It's kinda a win, win for Disney.
They have no choice. They're NextGen initiative is based on smartphone usage...all of which have video capabilities. Hey...maybe this film is the way we can stop the NextGen madness!
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Considering how much the actor talks about the film being about the lead's struggles - I have a hard time buying into the theory the film will be protected under fair-use. The parks are the setting and irony..
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Hollywood is like a large high school: there is no such thing as a secret. They would have known or at the very least would have been aware that such a film would be debuting.

Then why bother with going to SE Asia for post production?

Knowing leading up to the week is different than knowing for the last 3 years.. hoping it would just kill itself at Sundance seems plausible rather than playing big lawyer hand up front. They can certainly do that afterwards still.
 

muteki

Well-Known Member
No distributor will touch this film. I doubt even Trauma films will touch this. Thats as low as it gets.

If Disney files a injuction to surpress the film being shown, it won't be on Youtube. Youtube very good at taking stuff down on request.

Jimmy Thick- I'll click the report button myself.

There is a lot of buzz surrounding this film, and lots of money to be made if it gets released. If a distributor sees any chance of making that money, they will go for it.

And Youtube is not the standard go-to place for video content of the kind we are discussing. Maybe it will be the first place to look if you are over 50, but that is not where you go to find things such as this.
 

M.rudolf

Well-Known Member
Because a lot of studios have been farming out post-production to foreign locales for monetary purposes for a long time. In the not to distant future a lot of films will be made in so-called developing nations as they have a supply of cheap labor.
Actually the majority of animation already is. And a lot of effects work is,weta. But as far as editing a finished product the only way it will happen is if accompanied by the director. Do you honestly think a skilled director is going to let his filmed be edited by a person with little or no experience. Post production on a film very seldom lay goes bargain basement and it probably never will. Family guy, the Simpsons yes but a multi million dollar feature film it won't happen and it shouldnt
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Hollywood is like a large high school: there is no such thing as a secret. They would have known or at the very least would have been aware that such a film would be debuting.
Not if they avoided the Hollywood crowd completely. Many art and indie films never use anyone associated with Hollywood.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Too bad NextGen wasn't rolled out a few years ago. Big brother would have sniffed this guy out and shut his movie down;)

It may not be a coincidence that Disney banned and shut down that tool with all the videos of himself trespassing. It would hurt any potential legal action if they allowed others to illegally film at WDW without take g action to stop them. I have to admit that like the trespassing videos I would watch this film just out of curiosity.
 

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