This is also the leading explanation that I have been presented with.
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News EPCOT's Harmonious to be replaced with new nighttime spectacular Luminous
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IMDREW
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And did they realise how bad it would look? Or was that a oh **** moment?
GimpYancIent
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Yeeaahh, honestly look at the management and the answer should come clear.
Incomudro
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Exactly.
The show was more important to them.
All of the negatives when the show wasn't running didn't matter.
It's so opposite of the way they used to do things.
They didn't care that huge, industrial looking support structure was visible 24/7 in an area that it did not fit in - and positively ruined the scenery, views, people's pictures etc., so long as they could put on a big gaudy production at night.
They were hoping the majority of guests felt the same way.
GiveMeTheMusic
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DLR has a number of air quality credits to spend each year on fireworks. In the past 20 years, they've settled on nightly during summer and Christmas, weekends the rest of the year. There have been special considerations during the 50th and 60th celebrations that are, at this point, unlikely to be repeated in the future. Wondrous Journeys will not be nightly with fireworks until spring break, and then again for summer.
Before the 45th, there weren't enough people visiting the parks for anyone to even consider doing nightly fireworks during the Christmas season, especially since there was no Christmas fireworks show.
SoFloMagic
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Maybe they can figure something out. They're gonna need the booms from the fireworks to drown out that hideous song
wdwfan22
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This is the main reason for the show being replaced. Harmonious is see once and never again. Restaurants would be full up to show time. Not always the case currently.
ToTBellHop
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This has to be the first time enough of us spoke with our wallets to actually effect change...it was bound to work eventually!
EeyoreFan#24
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I wonder if it would be as noticeable if the center ring rotated or moved in some way instead of a flat water screen.
To Quote myself from another Thread "YES YES YES DIE HARM DIE oh sorry............. I know some liked it but it was soulless to us"
This was a Soulless Corporate, Ugly thing, that replaced yes a Dated Show, but one that had a heart! We would stay every night we were in Epcot just to see it (IllumiNations). Better Fireworks, Better Music, just was a good show!
This was a Soulless Corporate, Ugly thing, that replaced yes a Dated Show, but one that had a heart! We would stay every night we were in Epcot just to see it (IllumiNations). Better Fireworks, Better Music, just was a good show!
aladdin2007
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Maybe they will start to learn that killing off everything that people loved about the park(s), is not the best way to go. But they probably won't. Yet still I think its been having repercussions, thankfully. Probably thanks to third parties in this case not being happy either. It just shows the poor way things are being decided on and being put through. I imagine this was a kick in the seat and one they deserved. Not to mention the millions of dollars wasted on this mess. Lets just all hope the positive direction steve had mentioned for the new show will still pan out.
Vinnie Mac
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I don't want the parks to stay the same for half a century either.
I did a test recently. Park was very busy and getting busier into the late Friday afternoon.
I could immediately get a table at Rose and Crown for any time I wanted from that moment to closing.
UNCgolf
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Wanting the parks to stay exactly the same and not wanting the parks to strip out theme or other things that actually make them worse aren't exactly the same thing.
I'd personally be happy to see both the Jungle Cruise and the Tomorrowland Speedway torn up and replaced, e.g., but the parks were still a much better overall experience in multiple ways 25-30 years ago (with the exception of Animal Kingdom).
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I agree the parks should change, but not deteriorate like they have been. They also have not grown (ie capacity) the Re Skinning of Old Rides does not make them new rides and some Old Rides (Mr Toad, 20,000 Leagues,etc) should never have been destroyed. Build the new rides Disney has the SPACE unlike almost any other Theme Park in the WORLD!!! I am not saying a new attraction should be added every year but over 51 years its a shame the ride count hasn't grown much if at all.
The need to be in 1-2 spots along the lagoon meant that most people had badly obstructed views, and meant that, unlike Reflections, you also couldn't see it from most lagoon-side dining. That's a revenue killer, especially when Reflections would regularly sell out dining times around the show. Reflections was once called an Epcot restaurant's manager best friend for packing in revenue - and it happened almost every bloody night for 20 years.
It helped that Reflections felt like a serious event which was rooted in Epcot- Harmonious felt like a show you could have seen at any other park at WDW, or resort internationally (maybe DL. Maybe...). The next show has to be rooted in that way, preferably by those who knew what made Reflections special. Not IP or fancy barges you need to be in a particular spot to see. Don Dorsey is still working, maybe he's available...
Incomudro
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I was going to give this post a like 'till I saw Jungle Cruise on it - I agree with the rest of it.
If Jungle Cruise was gone, we'd never see another thing remotely like it.
There's already nothing like it.
The closest thing was 20K and they killed that off decades ago.
Real boats, outdoors, taking a meandering journey through real set pieces.
It's as classic Disney as things get.
ToTBellHop
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Never remove Jungle Cruise. I actually like the recent updates and find the campy Jingle Cruise to be hysterical. And let’s not give Disney a free pass to remove another CM-guided attraction.
There‘s literally no reason to remove it. Plenty of room for expansion at MK that they haven’t used. And unlike the present Speedway, Jungle Cruise is an asset to the land it is in and not an eyesore.
bhg469
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Jungle cruise is the one WDW attraction that is better on the East coast.. Heck, pirates can go for all I care before Jungle Cruise.
UNCgolf
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They're not going to remove Jungle Cruise, but I just think it's awful and superfluous with the existence of Animal Kingdom (the only reason the ride exists was to showcase animals that you can now see for real at AK). I'd love if they overhauled it into a better outdoors boat ride attraction instead of just tearing it out, though.