News EPCOT's Harmonious to be replaced with new nighttime spectacular Luminous

[SplashJacket]

Oh, they do. They read everything. This isn't unique to Disney. Giant companies like Google, Facebook, etc. often read and share tweets, message board comments, etc. internally.

Any massive organization is too complex for people to grasp.

Disney is not one entity, Disney employs hundreds of thousands of people. The United States federal executive government is not one entity (even though it's much more specific than saying United States government).

We like to simplify things down to what we can understand. We understand Chapek and Josh are in charge. We understand the president is in charge. But in reality, figures like Chapek, Josh, and the President, are just that, figures. They may impact "big-picture" things, but they're hardly involved in the nitty-gritty.

My point is that the people who actually do the heavy lifting of Disney are just normal people like you and me. My second point is that there are a LOT of them. No, the bus driver at Animal Kingdom doesn't know anything special or have any input, and nor does the individual filling your mailbox have a direct line with the President.

This thread has over 50,000 views. There are probably several people who will read this post today that clocked in at one of the parks for work today. Obviously, as we go up the decision-making ladder, there's an inverted funnel, so there are far fewer people near the top, but they're still plentiful. A few high-level Disney decision-makers definitely stumble on here every so often, but that's honestly not very significant.

It really is A Small World. We really aren't that far removed from the people we revere and admire, we just construct artificial barriers.

This really boils down to significance in three major areas:

• People behind screens, in newspapers, or on a tv really are real people. What we say about them online or to their face really does affect them. Whether it's Bob Chapek, Richard Jewell, or a VFX artist eagerly awaiting the movie they worked on for months to release, only for it to get panned.
• Positions you dream about, whether it's a doctor, Imagineer, or CEO, aren't out of reach because those positions are held by the uber-gifted. They're held by normal people who had a combination of getting lucky, working really hard, and going for it, there's nothing inherently out of reach by these dream positions.
• In those positions being within reach, we need to remember our ability to change them, and I don't mean by complaining on Twitter or an internet forum. Obviously, this is a very bold statement that should be nuanced and quantified, but the significance remains, the seemingly impenetrable barriers separating us and certain institutions or aspirations are far more fragile than they first seem.

 

[Vinnie Mac]

Positions you dream about, whether it's a doctor, Imagineer, or CEO, aren't out of reach because those positions are held by the uber-gifted. They're held by normal people who had a combination of getting lucky, working really hard, and going for it, there's nothing inherently out of reach by these dream positions.

As someone with dreams of getting into architecture and eventually theme park design, I constantly try to remind myself of this point.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I saw a blip on one of the twatter feeds yesterday that they confirmed the tacos and stargate are getting torched?

Legit or wishful thinking?

 

[trainplane3]

Oh, they do. They read everything. This isn't unique to Disney. Giant companies like Google, Facebook, etc. often read and share tweets, message board comments, etc. internally.

I still remember the time when someone in the parks exactly said "hey trainplane3" during a forum meetup. I was confused and put it together. I don't share many personal details but they figured me out. They proceeded to mention some complaints and issues I took with things too.

It's hard for some to realize but they do pay attention. Sometimes more then anyone would ever expect.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I still remember the time when someone in the parks exactly said "hey trainplane3" during a forum meetup. I was confused and put it together. I don't share many personal details but they figured me out. They proceeded to mention some complaints and issues I took with things too.

It's hard for some to realize but they do pay attention. Sometimes more then anyone would ever expect.

Forum meetups?!?

What is this you say?

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[ToTBellHop]

I saw a blip on one of the twatter feeds yesterday that they confirmed the tacos and stargate are getting torched?

Legit or wishful thinking?

The twatter? That’s what we will call it after the sale goes through.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The twatter? That’s what we will call it after the sale goes through.

…see what I did there.

 

[Disorbust]

But Disney is an echo chamber and many get promoted by dumb luck, right place ,right time, not necessarily their ability. Top tier talent has a hard time staying at Disney and take it from Leaders who can't even rotate a Pdf. I am sure that goes on in other companies as well , but I think the results are more visible to the guest/consumer like the stargate and Taco fiasco.

 

[wdwmagic]

Crazy thought - Could they dismantle the barges but then use them to create a new globe for a true successor to RoE?

The new show is not planned to be globe based

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The new show is not planned to be globe based

Drones? That what you heard?

Combine that with some of the old school lasers and perhaps a perimeter type launch tube for pyro?

Just might be crazy enough to work…

 

[gerarar]

Would be a shame if the perimeters got reduced back to just one shot. They spent all that time/money to upgrade the perimeters that they should be used to their full capabilities and power, like how they are currently used in Harmonius.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Would be a shame if the perimeters got reduced back to just one shot. They spent all that time/money to upgrade the perimeters that they should be used to their full capabilities and power, like how they are currently used in Harmonius.

The problem with perimeters was always the safe path/zone…

Are they using them to feed the kraken?

If so…with the ski lift and all the other nonsense…they could incorporate them into something worthy

Unlike that debaucle/whirlymagig thing

What a disgrace

 

[jrhwdw]

Would be a shame if the perimeters got reduced back to just one shot. They spent all that time/money to upgrade the perimeters that they should be used to their full capabilities and power, like how they are currently used in Harmonius.

I don't see a reason for Epcot to remove the extra perimeters when Harm goes.... If they do,....it might be more Stupid than Canning Harm and removing the Stargate and Tacos!!

 

[HauntedPirate]

The new show is not planned to be globe based

That’s a bummer.

*checks time*

Up late or up early? Either way, I should send you some coffee.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't see a reason for Epcot to remove the extra perimeters when Harm goes.... If they do,....it might be more Stupid than Canning Harm and removing the Stargate and Tacos!!

Stupid was the stargate…putrid.

I’ll bring a welder and do the cutting myself. And a cheap/dangerous one too…like harbor freight

 

[Vinnie Mac]

Would be a shame if the perimeters got reduced back to just one shot. They spent all that time/money to upgrade the perimeters that they should be used to their full capabilities and power, like how they are currently used in Harmonius.

What's crazy to me is that the perimeters were actually supposed to be used even more than they were in the final version.

 

[Vinnie Mac]

The new show is not planned to be globe based

So not globe-based but everyone working on it knows it has to look good from around the lagoon. Interesting

 

[Raidermatt]

This really boils down to significance in three major areas:

• People behind screens, in newspapers, or on a tv really are real people. What we say about them online or to their face really does affect time. Whether it's Bob Chapek, Richard Jewell, or a VFX artist eagerly awaiting the movie they worked on for months to release, only for it to get panned.

Definitely some truth to this. But its highly dependent on the person. High level executives tend to have massive egos, and those that do are simply not affected by what any of us are saying online. If you think otherwise, you simply have not met or worked with many people at that level.

For the true artists, yeah, it can be tough to hear criticism. But if you are going to put your work out to the public, that's all part of the deal. Sometimes you get praise, sometimes not. The better you are, the more you get the former but nobody dodges criticism forever. Further, a true artist does their work for themselves. I once heard it put this way: Many say "tell me what you want and I will give it to you". A true artist says "This is who I am, I hope you like it". At the end of the day though, if you can't stand the heat....

• Positions you dream about, whether it's a doctor, Imagineer, or CEO, aren't out of reach because those positions are held by the uber-gifted. They're held by normal people who had a combination of getting lucky, working really hard, and going for it, there's nothing inherently out of reach by these dream positions.
• In those positions being within reach, we need to remember our ability to change them, and I don't mean by complaining on Twitter or an internet forum. Obviously, this is a very bold statement that should be nuanced and quantified, but the significance remains, the seemingly impenetrable barriers separating us and certain institutions or aspirations are far more fragile than they first seem.

Oh how naive, at least when we are talking about C level execs in large corporations. Of course they are real people and most do work hard, and you are right they are definitely not all uber-gifted. But there are a disproportionate number of people in those positions who are just not very good people. Part of what it often takes to get to those levels is a type of ruthlessness that most of us assume only lives in movies. Its quite eye-opening once you realize the truth.

As for the influence high level execs like Chapek have over the 100's of thousands below them, you undersell that as well. The execs set the tone, define the culture. They define the company's values. Even more importantly, they hire other execs who share those philosophies, and it flows on down. Yeah, there are inevitably many good, well-intentioned people in the rank and file. But if they want to move into the true decision making roles, they have to play ball. A choice has to be made, and if you are willing to make that choice, sure, the barriers are not so severe. It just all depends on what lets you sleep at night.

Yes, there are always exceptions. But by and large, this is how it works.

 

[bhg469]

Stupid was the stargate…putrid.

I’ll bring a welder and do the cutting myself. And a cheap/dangerous one too…like harbor freight

Hey man, harbor freights premium line are actually ok tools... Problem is the garbage level tools are just way too price friendly!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Hey man, harbor freights premium line are actually ok tools... Problem is the garbage level tools are just way too price friendly!!

You mean the “Pittsburgh” line??

…steel workers are spit roasting in their graves after having “two use hammers” named after yinz