News EPCOT's Harmonious to be replaced with new nighttime spectacular Luminous

[Epcot82Guy]

How dare Disney not have a way to control the weather!!

While I understand your point, there was virtually no wind last night. I saw I:ROE dozens of times with much higher winds than last night with full perimeters.

If this is a safety issue, then there may be a design issue if it's unable to operate in Florida under fairly typical conditions.

 

[SaucyBoy]

While I understand your point, there was virtually no wind last night. I saw I:ROE dozens of times with much higher winds than last night with full perimeters.

If this is a safety issue, then there may be a design issue if it's unable to operate in Florida under fairly typical conditions.

The wind on the ground is much different from the wind just a mere few feet above our heads.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

While I understand your point, there was virtually no wind last night. I saw I:ROE dozens of times with much higher winds than last night with full perimeters.

If this is a safety issue, then there may be a design issue if it's unable to operate in Florida under fairly typical conditions.

Did the alternate perimeters go off? The ones within the lagoon?

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Did the alternate perimeters go off? The ones within the lagoon?

Yes. Again, I think we have our "mode" confusion.

To be specific - the show went off in it's "non-perimeter" mode. Not the "non-pyro" mode.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes. Again, I think we have our "mode" confusion.

To be specific - the show went off in it's "non-perimeter" mode. Not the "non-pyro" mode.

No I’m not confused - that just tells us that it was planned, maybe higher winds were forecast?

There are times (back to illuminations) where the perimeters are not set off because of safety issues - since the launch points are so close to guest areas. This is often a last minute decision for safety. That’s different than the alternate launch points be used because of weather forecasts.

 

[SaucyBoy]

CoYes. Again, I think we have our "mode" confusion.

To be specific - the show went off in it's "non-perimeter" mode. Not the "non-pyro" mode.

Us trying to figure out which “mode” each show plays every night. Is it mode A, B, B.2, C, or C.2

 

[Starship824]

No I’m not confused - that just tells us that it was planned, maybe higher winds were forecast?

There are times (back to illuminations) where the perimeters are not set off because of safety issues - since the launch points are so close to guest areas. This is often a last minute decision for safety. That’s different than the alternate launch points be used because of weather forecasts.

Ok, so what would you like them to do? Risk catching something on fire again (Harmonious) , or do the pyro in the middle. At least they're doing it. For Harmonious EF and ROE there was just no pyro. Imo this is better.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Ok, so what would you like them to do? Risk catching something on fire again (Harmonious) , or do the pyro in the middle. At least they're doing it. For Harmonious EF and ROE there was just no pyro. Imo this is better.

Huh? Did you mean to quote me? I wasn’t complaining about anything haha.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Ok, so what would you like them to do? Risk catching something on fire again (Harmonious) , or do the pyro in the middle. At least they're doing it. For Harmonious EF and ROE there was just no pyro. Imo this is better.

I'm a bit confused too, as I wonder if you meant to quote me. I'm also not quite sure I understand the HARM reference. The fireworks in question were the perimeters around the lagoon. They are actually farther away from the infrastructure than the "b-mode" for that effect - which takes off directly from the barges. So, b-mode is technically a greater risk for a HARM-type fire. And, all the other pyro went off as planned from the barges. (I will note a major firework went off from the barge (on the lake), and there was no obvious damage. So, (hopefully) great engineering there.)

Obviously, there is a greater audience risk from around the perimeter. But, they have been in use for 25 years (noting the updated hardware post IROE).

 

[Andrew25]

No perimeters again on the 13th. I've seen the show 4 times over the past 2 months and have yet to ever see the perimeter fireworks. I dislike this trend a lot.

Damn, you must seriously have the worst luck. I've been fortunate enough to see the show around 12 times and last night was the first time I saw them not do the perimeter fireworks. At least "b-mode" has something, Harmonious would just outright skip them.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Do any of you remember the ‘leak’ of the supposed version of We Go On from Harmonious?

The only copy that was uploaded to YouTube is unlisted right now.

That D23 video is bringing back so many little memories of that nightmare’s development.

I think I know what your referring to a leak from the original supposed finale audio that was then moved to the intro.

 

[gerarar]

There's been pyro cuts happening recently to the finale of Luminous.

Essentially sequences that had 6 small shells were slashed in half to just 3 or 4 shells.
The airtime on the crosette comets were reduced, making their effect less noticeable imo.

Sad to see these cuts (already) happening to the show when it's barely a month old at this point. Hopefully it's not budget related, but not looking good regardless..

Here's a comparison video I made showing the various cuts over the past couple weeks.


And here's some timestamps:
0:21 "Sound, it's in all that we are" – green crosette comets have a shorter burn/airtime (Changed around Jan 3)
0:33 "It's the beating of our hearts" – 6 green shells to 3 shells (Changed around Dec 29)
0:43 "...every beat aligns" – 6 red shells cut to 4 shells (Changed around Jan 10)
0:52 "The echo of our hearts" – 6 green shells cut to 3 shells (Changed around Dec 29)
1:19 "Feel it in the beat" – red crosette comets have a shorter burn/airtime (Changed around Jan 3)

Update on this.

The small green shells have been further cut from 6 down to 2 shells now (-66%). Not really sure what or why, but it looks really bare now.

The small red shells have been consistently back to 6 shells now, so that's at least good.

The comets during I See the Light and finale are still using smaller tails with the brighter star.

 

[Starship824]

Huh? Did you mean to quote me? I wasn’t complaining about anything haha.

Oops, sorry.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Damn, you must seriously have the worst luck. I've been fortunate enough to see the show around 12 times and last night was the first time I saw them not do the perimeter fireworks. At least "b-mode" has something, Harmonious would just outright skip them.

Thanks for the update! If it is indeed just bad timing on my part, that's totally fair. I just wouldn't want to see the pyro effects budget cut. As the show really does kinda need those wow moments IMHO to feel complete.

 

[Tom Morrow]

I have a minor complaint:



The order of these two songs should be flipped. The second one feels more appropriate as an epilogue to the show, while the first one is more appropriate for "chill song as you walk back to your car/bus". Does anyone know who performed these songs?

 

[trainplane3]

No perimeters again on the 13th. I've seen the show 4 times over the past 2 months and have yet to ever see the perimeter fireworks. I dislike this trend a lot.

Meanwhile on the 10th they were running:

And for funsies:

Update on this.

The small green shells have been further cut from 6 down to 2 shells now (-66%). Not really sure what or why, but it looks really bare now.

The small red shells have been consistently back to 6 shells now, so that's at least good.

The comets during I See the Light and finale are still using smaller tails with the brighter star.

Which greens?

 

[Starship824]

I'm a bit confused too, as I wonder if you meant to quote me. I'm also not quite sure I understand the HARM reference. The fireworks in question were the perimeters around the lagoon. They are actually farther away from the infrastructure than the "b-mode" for that effect - which takes off directly from the barges. So, b-mode is technically a greater risk for a HARM-type fire. And, all the other pyro went off as planned from the barges. (I will note a major firework went off from the barge (on the lake), and there was no obvious damage. So, (hopefully) great engineering there.)

Obviously, there is a greater audience risk from around the perimeter. But, they have been in use for 25 years (noting the updated hardware post IROE).

Sorry I quoted the wrong post, let me clarify. I wanted to say that the alternative use of the prim in the middle is better than Harm and EF because they would just cut it entirely at least when it's too windy they don't cut them entirely and they're just moved. Also, there was a fire at world showcase after a performance of Harm a month before the big one although I'm not sure if it was related to the perimeters or not.

https://999ktdy.com/fire-breaks-out-at-epcot-damage-to-america-gardens/

 

[wbostic12]

Do any of you remember the ‘leak’ of the supposed version of We Go On from Harmonious?

The only copy that was uploaded to YouTube is unlisted right now.

That D23 video is bringing back so many little memories of that nightmare’s development.

I do remember that video, and if it is the same video that I saw (called something like harmonious v2), that is the audio from the Super Bowl 2000 halftime show with Christina Aguilera and other 90s era Disney musicians singing We go On.

 

[TTA94]

I have a minor complaint:



The order of these two songs should be flipped. The second one feels more appropriate as an epilogue to the show, while the first one is more appropriate for "chill song as you walk back to your car/bus". Does anyone know who performed these songs?

I agree. The reason why Beating Of Our Hearts is played right after is likely because it’s featured in the show. The second song One Heartbeat, which is also an original song but not advertised or mentioned by Disney, could have originally been planned as one of the main songs instead of Beating Of Our Hearts, but they later decided to still use it as a post show song. Just my own theory.

As far as who sings both I am not sure. I don’t think anyone knows who sings One Heartbeat since, again, Disney did not mention that song. I fear One Heartbeat may stay unreleased since it’s not an advertised song, but I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Starship824]

I agree. The reason why Beating Of Our Hearts is played right after is likely because it’s featured in the show. The second song One Heartbeat, which is also an original song but not advertised or mentioned by Disney, could have originally been planned as one of the main songs instead of Beating Of Our Hearts, but they later decided to still use it as a post show song. Just my own theory.

As far as who sings both I am not sure. I don’t think anyone knows who sings One Heartbeat since, again, Disney did not mention that song. I fear One Heartbeat may stay unreleased since it’s not an advertised song, but I hope I’m wrong.

Yeah, I got the impression that it was supposed to be in the main show as well but was cut. No one knows though.