EPCOT Entertainment cuts

SirLink

Well-Known Member
Still.... To view people who work to make your vacation an enjoyable time as "expendable" means those guests are part of the problem with society.

Distinct lack of ethics. Distinct lack of morality. Distinct lack of right and wrong.

I'm not saying whether right or wrong, just how that view could exist. The reliance on part time and temporary employment over full time is a worrisome trend of the 21st century. One that makes guests the view. Is it wrong to think anyone in any job is replaceable, you betcha ... would Fox news be crying in their coffee/ Sky in their tea ... if that change happened you betcha.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
It's sad the guests view cast members as expendable.
Just like any other entertainment job, the participants are expendable. The show will go on without them.

While I will miss some of these entertainers I am not surprised. Employment loyalty has changed in the states and that is not limited to the entertainment industry. Gone are the days where if you work hard, deliver a good product you would be rewarded and retained at Disney or anywhere USA.

But it is a gamble on Disney's part. When Disney was callus with a chunk of their imagineers the good ones found employment creating great attractions for Disney's competitors. Another choice, the locals that followed The Adventurers and people like Elliot Dyson at POFQ. You can walk into the Scat's lounge at the FQ most nights and the tables are now empty where they were once filled. If they pull Bob from POR the lounge will likely be as empty as it is on the nights that Bob does not preform. DTD was packed this Spring when we visited. I found a few things. No wait at the register. Lots of lookers, few buyers.

It is the problem with Bean Counters making the decisions looking a the cost vs the overall big picture. Sometimes replacing a body with another body doesn't always pan out.
 

I_heart_Tigger

Well-Known Member
I think what some people fail to realize is that it's not the fact the Disney fired people with over 20 years of employment with them, it's that it was done unceremoniously - no thanks for working for the company for over 20 years and no offer of another position and the reasons are deeper than just revamping an entertainment show.

Previously the entertainers that had been in groups that were ended for one reason or another had been offered new roles. For example - Frankie and the West End Boys may have gotten the boot but at that time Disney understood that their employees were worthy of treating right. They offered them either severance packages or other positions within the company. Some took the severance and some took the positions but they had a choice.

This time they found out the same time it was released online. They did not get anything to thank them for their service, they did not get the option of taking a different role within the company. Shame on them I guess for thinking that Disney would treat them they way Disney had treated them in the past.

If anyone thinks this wasn't due to budget cuts, you really need to get your head out of your a$$. They started cutting budgets in entertainment slowly and yes, maybe Off Kilter should have seen it coming when the fiddle player was brought in as a replacement for half of the bagpipers shows because he could be paid less. Or when the bump in salary for the fiddle player caused them to fire the keyboard player (short notice and again unceremoniously).

Budget cuts are the reason these long time Disney employees were not offered other roles. They spent a lot of money elsewhere (* cough* MDE *cough*) and decided to make cuts.

The issue for some of us is personal, yes we are personally attached and don't want to see our friends unemployed knowing that they have families to care for at home. We also would have liked to know that Disney at least said SOMETHING about being a loyal employee since before they could legally buy a beer!

That's not what people should be concerned about though. As Disney fans you should be concerned that Disney used to treat entertaining their guests as part of the "show". They now consider it a nuisance. Disney does not want to entertain you, they want to shuffle you from attraction to gift shop to restaurant. The attractions get you in the gates, the gift shops and restaurants make them money and the entertainment sucks your time that you could be spent shopping.

Disney is cutting back on spending money on things that make guests happy and create a memorable experience because of cost. Is it the right move business wise? Who knows - maybe they will find themselves rolling in dough because people don't realize that they can fire 5 higher paid performers with a huge following and replace them with two at a much lower wage and pretend this is an "enhancement".

The fact is - that is not how Disney used to do things. Disney used to celebrate long term Cast Members, they are now considered expensive and easily replaced (by Disney standards - not by mine). If you have over 10 years service and have been bumped to a new salary you are a ticking time bomb with Disney.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying whether right or wrong, just how that view could exist. The reliance on part time and temporary employment over full time is a worrisome trend of the 21st century. One that makes guests the view. Is it wrong to think anyone in any job is replaceable, you betcha ... would Fox news be crying in their coffee/ Sky in their tea ... if that change happened you betcha.

Oh that you totally exists. And it's morally wrong. And it's reprehensible.

To sit back and replace people so you can make a bigger profit, it's just disgusting. It's going on in the private sector for year after year after year for like the past 15 years now. All for the sake of just making more money. It's disgusting.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I think what some people fail to realize is that it's not the fact the Disney fired people with over 20 years of employment with them, it's that it was done unceremoniously - no thanks for working for the company for over 20 years and no offer of another position and the reasons are deeper than just revamping an entertainment show.

Previously the entertainers that had been in groups that were ended for one reason or another had been offered new roles. For example - Frankie and the West End Boys may have gotten the boot but at that time Disney understood that their employees were worthy of treating right. They offered them either severance packages or other positions within the company. Some took the severance and some took the positions but they had a choice.

This time they found out the same time it was released online. They did not get anything to thank them for their service, they did not get the option of taking a different role within the company. Shame on them I guess for thinking that Disney would treat them they way Disney had treated them in the past.

If anyone thinks this wasn't due to budget cuts, you really need to get your head out of your a$$. They started cutting budgets in entertainment slowly and yes, maybe Off Kilter should have seen it coming when the fiddle player was brought in as a replacement for half of the bagpipers shows because he could be paid less. Or when the bump in salary for the fiddle player caused them to fire the keyboard player (short notice and again unceremoniously).

Budget cuts are the reason these long time Disney employees were not offered other roles. They spent a lot of money elsewhere (* cough* MDE *cough*) and decided to make cuts.

The issue for some of us is personal, yes we are personally attached and don't want to see our friends unemployed knowing that they have families to care for at home. We also would have liked to know that Disney at least said SOMETHING about being a loyal employee since before they could legally buy a beer!

That's not what people should be concerned about though. As Disney fans you should be concerned that Disney used to treat entertaining their guests as part of the "show". They now consider it a nuisance. Disney does not want to entertain you, they want to shuffle you from attraction to gift shop to restaurant. The attractions get you in the gates, the gift shops and restaurants make them money and the entertainment sucks your time that you could be spent shopping.

Disney is cutting back on spending money on things that make guests happy and create a memorable experience because of cost. Is it the right move business wise? Who knows - maybe they will find themselves rolling in dough because people don't realize that they can fire 5 higher paid performers with a huge following and replace them with two at a much lower wage and pretend this is an "enhancement".

The fact is - that is not how Disney used to do things. Disney used to celebrate long term Cast Members, they are now considered expensive and easily replaced (by Disney standards - not by mine). If you have over 10 years service and have been bumped to a new salary you are a ticking time bomb with Disney.


I'm it's like they purposely brought in a hatchet man from Anaheim to keep costs down and make cuts.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Oh that you totally exists. And it's morally wrong. And it's reprehensible.

To sit back and replace people so you can make a bigger profit, it's just disgusting. It's going on in the private sector for year after year after year for like the past 15 years now. All for the sake of just making more money. It's disgusting.
This righteous indignation in very unbecoming.
 

I_heart_Tigger

Well-Known Member
it's like they purposely brought in a hatchet man from Anaheim to keep costs down and make cuts.

I'm sure that's all it is to them. "Let's see where we can cut costs...you pay HOW MUCH for the band in Canada?" I'm not naïve - I realize that on paper it likely makes perfect business sense and my judgment is clouded by my personal relationship to the band and the history I have with them. The fact is that Disney NOW is not the same as Disney THEN and I don't enjoy the direction they are heading in.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I'm sure that's all it is to them. "Let's see where we can cut costs...you pay HOW MUCH for the band in Canada?" I'm not naïve - I realize that on paper it likely makes perfect business sense and my judgment is clouded by my personal relationship to the band and the history I have with them. The fact is that Disney NOW is not the same as Disney THEN and I don't enjoy the direction they are heading in.

Also the irony of doing this a week before Labor Day.....
 

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