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DisneyMusician2

Well-Known Member
I doubt Remy will be there long-term ... he is a French rat ... and I no longer dine there due to the WalMarting brought about by the DDP.

To be fair, I didn't think Chefs was all that wonderful even before the DDP.

Just curious '74, where are your favorite dining spots? 'Cause I can't imagine going and not doing any dining at Epcot, which is pretty much all on the DDP.
 

LuLaSue

Well-Known Member
I think Remy is a adorable and the idea wonderful. This is Disney,it's all about the kids and those of us who want to be kids at heart. IMHO Epcot can tend to be a LONG day with little ones, I think it's just another effort to keep the kids in the park.
 

SoccerMickey

Active Member
You really need to come up with a new term. The one you use 'Walmarting' is not accurate for the point you are trying to convey.

I honestly never heard of the term Walmarting but I think it fits perfectly into what happened to many of the restaurants at Walt Disney World since DDP. Before all the EPCOT restaurants would offer unique, authentic cuisine native to its host country or pavilion. This slowly went away, especially with the DDP. The choices have been reduced and when you sit down you get the sense that they are trying to turn your table really quick, even to the point that the wait time to get your food from the time you order it rivals McDonald's in terms of both speediness and effiency. (How many times do they forget your fries in the drive through....exactly my point.) This wouldn't be so bad if the prices in the restaurants did not keep going up while the quality of the food is slipping past mediocre. This almost penalizes the guests who opt not to get the dining plan, or do not have DDP available to them. I know DDP is good for Disney's bottom line but I would LOVE to see it go and bring back quality restaurants to WDW.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
You really need to come up with a new term. The one you use 'Walmarting' is not accurate for the point you are trying to convey.

I've told him this before. He doesn't seem to care (which is ironic, given his complaints about "quality"):

WDWFigment said:
WalMarting seems to be a popular buzz-word with you, but most of the time you're misuing it. WalMarting is a term that refers to Wal-Mart's practice of globalization. While Wal-Mart is known for cheap products, the term itself is not one that means "cheapening". If you're just using it as a concise term for anything Disney does that you don't like, that's your prerogative, but that's not the term's actual definition (and while it may be your prerogative, I think an intelligent person should never be content in misusing a word--that's just laziness).

I'm not asserting that the homogenized and degradative practices you discuss are not abhorrent and something that weakens the product. I largely agree with the substance of your opinions on the topic, but I see this as one of the many ways in which your abrassive form detracts from your message (thinly veiled allusions to politics, subtle knocks on other posters, your habit of pointing out that you have a life outside of the forum as if to insinuate that others don't, and your repeated name-dropping are some other examples). If you really care so much about WDW, perhaps you should drop these characteristics from your posts, as they make you less than endearing to many, which results in those who would otherwise be your supporters not taking your message seriously. Now, you can just call those people ignorant for not reading your posts for what they are--information--but it seems to me that we need as many supporters as we can get for bringing attention to the current state of WDW. :shrug:

I think maybe you're just referring to current poor practices of WDW, no matter what their basis, as "Walmarting" because of the strong negative connotation with the term. As I've indicated previously, I hate many of these practices too, I just don't like the idea of using a term that doesn't really apply simply to elicit a certain feeling out of readers, based upon their conceptions of the term.

A concise, yet more apt given the circumstances, term for the current practices of WDW would be McDonaldization.

WDW1974 said:
WalMarting wasn't a word the last time I looked in a dictionary. I've been using it for years to describe WDW's (and TWDC's business model) ... and even using your 'definition' I am in no way misusing anything. And yeah, it is my buzzword. Because WalMarting refers to the lowest common denominator. It refers to dumbing down quality to that level. It certainly refers to globalization when you have Jay Rasulo's umbrella idea of Disney Parks: Where Dreams Come True.
 

melissw

New Member
1) Based on the link to the video of Remy, I think the addition would be really cute!
1a) Also not sure how this addition is a version of Walmarting. Based on the "definition" above I don't see how this "dumbs down quality." (BTW WDWFigment I liked your response you sent to WDW1974 re: Walmarting)
2) Anyone else going to miss Pipa? I met this cute little recycling bin last April and was looking forward to another insteresting and funny conversation with Pipa this April :(
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/album.php?albumid=428&pictureid=4980
 

PhilharMagician

Well-Known Member
I am very disappointed to hear about Smear, Splat and Dip. It was a funny and interesting show to watch and break up time in Dinoland. Maybe the guys will be back in another form of show.

I think the addition of remy as shown in the video will add a little more attraction for families to dine at Chefs de France, then if people want a higher class of French dining they can go upstairs to the Bistro.
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Was just curious has Bistro ever been open for lunch? Its great as a special dinner location Im sure, but a lunch option might be kinda enjoyable too as something new.
 

mickeysaver

Well-Known Member
Sadly, I never have had the opportunity to see Smear, Splat, & Dip, but I was thinking that it might be fun to catch their act when I was down in April, but I guess that won't happen now. :cry:

Pipa, come on man, Pipa shouldn't be that expensive to operate! :fork: I love Pipa.....it's one of those bits of magic that only makes Disney, Disney.

After viewing the video of the Little Chef's appearance in Paris, I wanna see that here! OMG, I would make an ADR just to be able to see Remy, if they did that here. I have never wanted to dine there, but it would make it a much more desirable experience. :sohappy:

Tutto Italia, they could put the living statues in that restaurant and I would pay to go, however adding a musical act isn't going to make the experience worth it to me. :rolleyes:

Pinocchio....really a nice dvd promo, but worth my time, um, no.
 

flydisco

Member
I am all for Disney being Disney.
I think there are some people that go to Disney and forget that it is a place for the young and young at heart. If you are so much better than "the people who use the DDP" then maybe you should go to the Country of France and eat. I am sure they would make you feel really welcome and you just might find they have rats too and not the character kind.:hammer:
These are just my opinions.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
I am all for Disney being Disney.
I think there are some people that go to Disney and forget that it is a place for the young and young at heart. If you are so much better than "the people who use the DDP" then maybe you should go to the Country of France and eat. I am sure they would make you feel really welcome and you just might find they have rats too and not the character kind.:hammer:
These are just my opinions.

I view the DDP as a necessary evil... I don't use the DDP when I visit, but, I have no gripes with those who do... What ever you have to do to make your Disney trip less expensive, then go for it....
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't mind the DDP if it didn't force everyone to book very last meal in advance so that it becomes impossible to just walk into a restaurant and get a table. Not to mention the extra hassle at the CS locations because they have no clue how the system works (on top of already having no clue what they want to eat) adding on to the bottlenecks and making a once enjoyable element of a WDW vaction and turning it into an unwanted hassel. I should at least be able to enjoy eating on vacation and have some decent selection of where to do that.
 

Disneyson 1

New Member
Poor Pipa. But what about the palm tree? Is he/she still going to be there?

And although the Remy is a little cheesy, he fits into the desired space much more than any other character would. It's a perfect fit!
 

disneyliv85

New Member
awww I think Remy looks cute! I know I would have loved that as a kid. Some little kids that might be scared of the big characters might enjoy this.

Just wanna say I am a fan of the DDP! I would have never been able to experience many of the wonderful restaurants that Disney has to offer if it weren't for the dining plan! I know it makes things crowded, which is why Disney shouldn't completely book all it's tables so that walk ups might actually have a chance to dine.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I just have to ask (not trying to start an argument... just wondering) what is "Walmarting" exactly?

WalMarting is a term I use for dumbing down/homogenizing the WDW product to the lowest common denomenator. Lower quality, less selection, same crap all over, dirtier parks etc ...

I see you throw that term around a lot lately.

Actually, I have been using it for many, many years now. It's also widely used by many inside TWDC who share my views for what is being done to 'the brand.'

I understand that some of the stores/shops do not carry unique merch anymore and I've seen the term "Walmarting" used to describe what has happened to the shops in WDW. While I may not like this... I understand why Disney does what it does! If a certain kind of merch is moving and selling then put it in every store. But they should still keep some of the unique merch as well.

Except, they don't. Not to mention it goes against the way Disney parks were created. Merchandising is part of the show and is supposed to help continue to tell the tale of the area it is located ... that's why you should only get pirate and nautical themed items at a PoC shop ... jungle goods and wares at a shop near the JC ... futuristic items in Tomorrowland ... historical items in Liberty Square etc ... when you get Jonas Bros CDs or Tink hoodies or Grumpy tees or assorted pins for other parks and resorts and cartoon characters in every shop, it immediately takes you out of the story (whether you are conscious of it, care about it or not) and reminds you that you are at a GENERIC DISNEY STORE.

Whether it sells (and they are struggling to sell anything these days) isn't the point, so I am not going to argue it.

If this marketing is making Disney money... then why do we have a problem with it. Doesn't Disney making money mean we get more attractions, shows, etc. and less cutbacks!?!

Except that's not how it works.

And I don't understand what this has to do with Remy in Chefs de France and DDP. I know there are DDP haters out there but again the DDP has filled Disney restaurants thus more money... again, why do we have a problem with this!?! Are you disliking the fact that Chefs de France is being turned into a character meal (if I read the OP correctly)? And how is this "Walmarting"? Isn't putting a character into a restaurant a kind of "Disney thing"? Disney is characters... it sells... and that's what Disney likes ($$$$$)!

Just askin'!:shrug:

The DDP has destroyed WDW dining. It has raised prices to absurd pricepoints ... the exact same noodle dish I had at Brown Derby less than two years ago for $14 is now $22 ... a basic a la carte steak is $32 FOR LUNCH. The idea is to force people into buying the DDP, which is working, and then it allows them to go to a cruise line type menu model where you may have six or eight entrees at a restaurant. DDP has utterly destroyed so many places. And the absurd pricepoints give people who buy DDP the ignorant notion they are getting 'a great deal' when in fact they are getting screwed and paying more for less variety and quality and more crowded restaurants. Locals/APers are screwed completely because they can't simply walk up anymore as NO tables are held back for day of ressies and if they do get in, they are forced to pay absurd prices.

If you want some idea as to how much WDW locations have raised prices while limiting variety you might want to check out Deb Wills' great WDW site and do an archive search of her menus.

As to characters, no, Disney isn't simply about characters. It is that mindset that has helped allow Disney to dumb down its offerings. That Walmart simplistic notion that Disney is simply a place to see teens in foamhead costumes chase kids through a dining room while you're trying to eat.

Do you know that EPCOT didn't have a single character meal its first 15 years? And it did just fine.

Can you imagine a WDW without any character dining?

I can. I lived it. It was better.
 

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