News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

E/D Tickets are really more dependent on the park's existing offerings. Ratatouille in WDSP is an E-ticket and a headliner for the park, Ratatouille in Epcot is more of a chill D-ticket in the back of the land. Applying that logic to AK it would make sense for Encanto to be a D like NRJ, with Everest, FoP, and Indy being "the" headliners for the park. It seems to also hold the same NRJ quality, with it being a more beautiful and calm ride without a ton of showstopping wow moments.

 

[celluloid]

I thought both SWGE rides were Es? Obviously, most feel one is better, but Rise (on all cylinders) is next level. F ticket?

LL cost is a good indicator. F ticket is funny but E being the most desirable attractions can't really go beyond that. Extra credit for the industry I guess.

 

[Starship824]

What is considered an E-ticket attraction doesn't matter since the ticketing system hasn't existed for 40 years and people who try to classify what ticket a ride is, is just guessing since we'll never know unless they bring back that system which will never happen. The best comparison we have is LL tiers and LL SP and if we go by that than there aren't really that many "E-tickets" and FoP would be one of them.

 

[celluloid]

What is considered an E-ticket attraction doesn't matter since the ticketing system hasn't existed for 40 years and people who try to classify what ticket a ride is, is just guessing since we'll never know unless they bring back that system which will never happen. The best comparison we have is LL tiers and LL SP and if we go by that than there aren't really that many "E-tickets" and FoP would be one of them.

People are still attracted to go to parks. That is why they are called attractions.

There is still a level of draw. The term is around like many terms we still use for thing that themselves have changed.

You can charge more for a day at a park full of them then a park with little of them.

Supply and Demand, different phrasing and specific to attraction venues.


Even without physical individual tickets, and with and without we have turnstiles both physical clicks and digital. Why we still call them clicks. The business of it did not get smaller, it got bigger with more variables.

If it is getting people into the park and ridership unique and repeat are highest in the park, you have a modern E ticket.
And it can be more fluid then ever.

 

[ToTBellHop]

LL cost is a good indicator. F ticket is funny but E being the most desirable attractions can't really go beyond that. Extra credit for the industry I guess.

Obviously Rise prints money. Very high capacity and the most expensive LLs. Bob is surely very pleased with its success even with broken cannons.

 

[JackCH]

Obviously Rise prints money. Very high capacity and the most expensive LLs. Bob is surely very pleased with its success even with broken cannons.

Make it Rise of the Rebellion and print even more money, if that's even possible.

 

[celluloid]

Obviously Rise prints money. Very high capacity and the most expensive LLs. Bob is surely very pleased with its success even with broken cannons.

Without a doubt an E ticket.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Make it Rise of the Rebellion and print even more money, if that's even possible.

They’ll wait until it stops printing as much money to retheme it to print more money.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Make it Rise of the Rebellion and print even more money, if that's even possible.

Honestly, I’d keep it and convert Falcon to the original trilogy. Then it would print money.

I would hazard a guess that Rise makes $200k daily from LLs.

 

[JackCH]

Honestly, I’d keep it and convert Falcon to the original trilogy. Then it would print money.

I'm just imagining the marketing if all those Kylo Ren scenes were Vader. Feel like it would be a big hit.

 

[JackCH]

AND lieutenant Beck to Admiral Ackbar?? When the Star Destroyer captures you... "It's a Trap!"

I mean.. come on people.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

My best judgment about today's E ticket categorization, extrapolating from what's widely agreed to an E ticket, is that it's a combination of:

1. Scale
2. (High-Quality) Detail

The attractions that pretty much everyone agrees to be an E ticket have both of those: Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder, Tower of Terror, Expedition Everest, etc.

Attractions seem to be viewed as D tickets when they lack one of those two, for instance:

• Mine Train and Na'vi River Journey are beautifully detailed, but too small/short to be considered E tickets.
• "it's a small world" is actually a massive-scale attraction, but the sets are too simple to make it an E ticket (despite it being rightly beloved, of course, and indeed being one of my own favorite attractions).

Of course, caveats include:

• When something was vastly larger scale than most attractions at the time it was built (factor 1), that might outweigh its relative lack of high-quality detail (factor 2), which would be why "it's a small world" and Jungle Cruise used to be viewed as E tickets.
• A unique/novel characteristic might for a time push something to E ticket status whose lack of scale and/or high-quality detail would otherwise relegate it to below E ticket status, e.g., Soarin' (which, as flying theaters become more common, may eventually be relegated to D ticket status).
• Attractions with a high level of thrill and/or iconic placement might be viewed as having E ticket status, at least for a time, despite lacking in some of these other factors.

In all, I'd suggest that the E ticket concept remains useful, so long as it's understand as a family resemblance category that allows for disagreement about the categorization of some attractions.

With all that being said, I hope Encanto contains both the level of scale and the level of high-quality detail that I'd suggest would make it an E ticket for all...

 

[Blobbles]

AND lieutenant Beck to Admiral Ackbar?? When the Star Destroyer captures you... "It's a Trap!"

I mean.. come on people.

SWGE’s big flaw in hindsight was the sequel trilogy use. I know at the time of design and announcement it hadn’t crashed and burned yet, but in hindsight it would’ve been more well received as the OT.

 

[celluloid]

My best judgment about today's E ticket categorization, extrapolating from what's widely agreed to an E ticket, is that it's a combination of:

1. Scale
2. (High-Quality) Detail

The attractions that pretty much everyone agrees to be an E ticket have both of those: Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder, Tower of Terror, Expedition Everest, etc.

Attractions seem to be viewed as D tickets when they lack one of those two, for instance:

• Mine Train and Na'vi River Journey are beautifully detailed, but too small/short to be considered E tickets.
• "it's a small world" is actually a massive-scale attraction, but the sets are too simple to make it an E ticket (despite it being rightly beloved, of course, and indeed being one of my own favorite attractions).

Of course, caveats include:

• When something was vastly larger scale than most attractions at the time it was built (factor 1), that might outweigh its relative lack of high-quality detail (factor 2), which would be why "it's a small world" and Jungle Cruise used to be viewed as E tickets.
• A unique/novel characteristic might for a time push something to E ticket status whose lack of scale and/or high-quality detail would otherwise relegate it to below E ticket status, e.g., Soarin' (which, as flying theaters become more common, may eventually be relegated to D ticket status).
• Attractions with a high level of thrill and/or iconic placement might be viewed as having E ticket status, at least for a time, despite lacking in some of these other factors.

In all, I'd suggest that the E ticket concept remains useful, so long as it's understand as a family resemblance category that allows for disagreement about the categorization of some attractions.

With all that being said, I hope Encanto contains both the level of scale and the level of high-quality detail that I'd suggest would make it an E ticket for all...

This may be oversimplifying it in some ways and overcomplicating it in others if people don't also take into account fluidity.


20K and Hall of Presidents were once E Tickets.
Demand shifts.

Star Tours was without a doubt an E ticket its opening and just being a Simulator of that caliber was a fresh new concept and industry elevating standard in the late 80s.

20K was certainly not an E Ticket when it was about to close and popularity dwindles down but still being valuable enough to keep around for at times years until a time is right to change if ROI of operating is worthwhile.

Hall of Preidents definitely did not need its extended queue decades later and does not going near 50 years later, it is not an E ticket at all anymore but sitll.

Because by its nature, the ticket system was demand-based. Fluidity.

 

[BrianLo]

Just to confuse people further, Na’vi is technically internally a C ticket. Hitting above its weight class for sure. And yes Flight of Passage was at one time a D, but I’d argue horribly misclassified or they plussed it.

I like the made up F ticket designation because it provides a bit more nuance to things. Rise, Radiator Springs Racers, honestly technically even Kilimanjaro. Park defining things that are boundary and monetarily pushing. Tower of Terror in its heyday, Disneyland Pirates in its heyday.

So Encanto definitely isn’t that, I can say that for sure. It’s either a D+ or an E (unless it’s truly bad) and I think the definitions there are super grey. They are sort of the same thing. Do E tickets get a billboard on the highway? Because yes, Encanto will get one of those.

I think ride time if it’s slow moving will determine the takeaway. 6+ minutes and I think there will be arguments. ~8+ (doubt it) and it’s clearly an E. Below 6minutes and no thrill component, I think would fall down a grade.

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

If boarding groups is still even a thing in 2027-- do we think both Indy and Encanto will be a boarding group situation?

 

[Gusey]

I see an F-Ticket / ILL-Tier attraction category for those with Individual Lightning Lanes (Tron, Seven Dwarfs, Cosmic Rewind, Rise of Resistance and FOP). Disney is marketing them as the must do at park because you have to pay extra to get in their lightning lanes, they're not included with normal Lightning Lane. That's why Tiana's went to normal Lightning Lane vs ILL

 

[UNCgolf]

I thought both SWGE rides were Es? Obviously, most feel one is better, but Rise (on all cylinders) is next level. F ticket?

I think Smuggler's Run is terrible. It would be better as just a Millennium Falcon walkthrough -- the cockpit is great but the video game is much, much worse than what someone can play at home.

If FoP was internally classified as a D I'd assume Smuggler's Run was too, but maybe not since it's interactive.

 

[Drew the Disney Dude]

Documentation underway.

 

[MisterPenguin]

E-Ticket Dilemma

1. The ticket tier was initially established by the internal cost of the ride. Higher priced E-Tickets were meant to recoup the cost of a higher priced ride to build.

2. Higher cost rides were usually more popular because more money was spent to make them spectacular. Thus, in the mind of the general public, any very popular ride with long lines must therefore be an E-Ticket. We see this even when the ticket system was done away with, that even lower tier rides that had long lines because their PPH capacity was low, were deemed "E-Ticket" because: "Look at those lines!!"

3. Before the ticket system was abolished, Disney started to use the Ticket tiers to control wait times. C-Ticket rides with long lines get bumped up to D. D-Ticket rides that became walk-ons got downgraded to C. Alice had three different tier designations.

4. Today, ordinary guests still use "wow, look at the line, it's really popular" as their understanding of what an E-Ticket is. Superfans, such as the ones in these forums try to guess what tier Imagineering is using, which they keep secret. Because, after all, the super fans here are clearly equal, if not superior, to anyone currently working in WDI.

Also...

When people don't care for one of the E Ticket rides, they argue vehemently that it's only a D Ticket.​

When people really like a D Ticket ride, they argue vehemently that it's indeed an E Ticket ride. ​

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- M. Pengiun​

Also...

A-E TICKET ATTRACTIONS

Hello all, It's been a while since I have been on the forums. But I have a question for anyone, I'm trying to find a list or what I can find about what attractions are under what tickets (A-E)? Also I'm only looking at attractions in the magic kingdom, and all attractions new and old...

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