News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

eddie104

eddie104

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I agree that it's sort of weird. Feels like stretching the concept to the limit in the name of justifying its placement in Fantasy Springs. That they sort of try to wave it away within the story suggests the choice of ride system is a liability to be excused rather than an asset to be embraced.

I can't help but think that there was an interesting opportunity within the Frozen IP to offer TDL a port or attraction that offered an experience of the, *ahem*, frozen parts of the sea which aren't yet on display in the park. Riding across a frozen fjord on a sleigh would still have fit for TDS, been different from yet another boat ride, and could serve the Frozen narrative by moving more naturally through both outdoor and indoor locations without the need for rivers that seem to run through buildings that have no rivers in them (even if they're not literally, actually running through the buildings).
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Nobody talks about how technically Fantasy Springs is out of place in DisneySea and actually belongs at their castle park.
 
SplashJacket

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I agree that it's sort of weird. Feels like stretching the concept to the limit in the name of justifying its placement in Fantasy Springs. That they sort of try to wave it away within the story suggests the choice of ride system is a liability to be excused rather than an asset to be embraced.

I can't help but think that there was an interesting opportunity within the Frozen IP to offer TDL a port or attraction that offered an experience of the, *ahem*, frozen parts of the sea which aren't yet on display in the park. Riding across a frozen fjord on a sleigh would still have fit for TDS, been different from yet another boat ride, and could serve the Frozen narrative by moving more naturally through both outdoor and indoor locations without the need for rivers that seem to run through buildings that have no rivers in them (even if they're not literally, actually running through the buildings).
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I don’t think a boat ride is a bad choice honestly. Water provides good kinetics.

I just think the first scenes (memory scene, do you want to build a snowman, Anna in the halls, and the coronation scenes are sloppy and should’ve been cut.

Otherwise, I think the other moments are exceptional. They also should’ve cut out Hans entirely, he’s a twist villain, not a real villain, and you can’t capture a twist in a ride.

With the money from the cut scenes, they should’ve upgraded the final backwards drop/icy ship scene to be more Shanghai POTC ship scale, and added a scene after the trolls and changed the love is an open door scene to be Anna singing about the gates opening.
 
UNCgolf

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I agree that it's sort of weird. Feels like stretching the concept to the limit in the name of justifying its placement in Fantasy Springs. That they sort of try to wave it away within the story suggests the choice of ride system is a liability to be excused rather than an asset to be embraced.

I can't help but think that there was an interesting opportunity within the Frozen IP to offer TDL a port or attraction that offered an experience of the, *ahem*, frozen parts of the sea which aren't yet on display in the park. Riding across a frozen fjord on a sleigh would still have fit for TDS, been different from yet another boat ride, and could serve the Frozen narrative by moving more naturally through both outdoor and indoor locations without the need for rivers that seem to run through buildings that have no rivers in them (even if they're not literally, actually running through the buildings).
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I think a major reason Frozen Journey feels disappointing is that Frozen, as a movie, doesn't translate well to a ride. The ride captures the movie quite well, but it's full of relatively barren scenes and a very small number of characters; often only one or two per scene. I think either the former or latter is okay to varying degrees, but both at once makes scenes feel slight and isn't great for an attraction.

Doing a full A to Z retelling of the movie just doubled down on the issue. They absolutely should have done something different with the IP that gave more freedom in scene design, which would have also allowed them to make some of the changes @SplashJacket mentions like eliminating Hans entirely. He's not necessary if you aren't trying to retell the complete story.
 
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JD80

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UNCgolf said:
I think a major reason Frozen Journey feels so disappointing is that Frozen, as a movie, doesn't exactly translate well to a ride. The ride itself captures the movie quite well, but it's full of relatively barren scenes and a very small number of characters; often only one or two per scene. I think either the former or latter is okay to varying degrees, but both at once makes scenes feel incredibly slight.

Doing a full A to Z retelling of the movie just doubled down on the issue. They absolutely should have done something different with the IP that gave more freedom in scene design.
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You can't imagine a dark ride the follow's Anna journey to Elsa's Ice palace with the culmination of the confrontation with Marshmallow?

Here's the ride:

The ride is from the perspective of Olaf telling the story.
 
UNCgolf

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JD80 said:
You can't imagine a dark ride the follow's Anna journey to Elsa's Ice palace with the culmination of the confrontation with Marshmallow?

Here's the ride:

The ride is from the perspective of Olaf telling the story.
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That probably would have worked better than trying to retell the entire movie, but it may have still had scenery/AA issues.

While Frozen Journey is unquestionably better than FEA, I think the general idea behind FEA was maybe a better fit for translating the IP into a ride (execution aside), as @Sir_Cliff mentioned elsewhere.
 
Haymarket2008

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I agree that it's sort of weird. Feels like stretching the concept to the limit in the name of justifying its placement in Fantasy Springs. That they sort of try to wave it away within the story suggests the choice of ride system is a liability to be excused rather than an asset to be embraced.

I can't help but think that there was an interesting opportunity within the Frozen IP to offer TDL a port or attraction that offered an experience of the, *ahem*, frozen parts of the sea which aren't yet on display in the park. Riding across a frozen fjord on a sleigh would still have fit for TDS, been different from yet another boat ride, and could serve the Frozen narrative by moving more naturally through both outdoor and indoor locations without the need for rivers that seem to run through buildings that have no rivers in them (even if they're not literally, actually running through the buildings).
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1000%

When they first announced Frozen Ever After for EPCOT I had the tiniest, silliest glimmer of hope that they would make this into a jaunt through the Fjords and by the stave churches (hosted by the Frozen characters)…….ah well.
 
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eddie104 said:
Nobody talks about how technically Fantasy Springs is out of place in DisneySea and actually belongs at their castle park.
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I've often said that's funny when people complain about the different WDW parks becoming too "similar to each other" when TDS is basically the exact same premise and vibe as TDL... but with some water. And TDS often gets super hyped as the best non-castle park (and I'm not saying it isn't, but just that people seem to be just fine with it being similar to its neighbor).
 
FigmentFan82

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eddie104 said:
I hate churros. 😂
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DisneyDean97

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MisterPenguin said:
The new rides in TDS are all boat rides. And where do we find boats?... On the sea!!!

Fits.

Now with all the boat rides coming to MK and DAK, I guess we can start calling them Magic Sea Kingdom and Disney Animal Seadom.
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I may have missed it, but do we know if Encanto is going to be a boat ride?
 
UNCgolf

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ToTBellHop said:
With a second Peter Pan’s Flight, but with screenz. I thought Tokyo could do no wrong.

Of the new rides, the only one I’m a bit jealous of is the Lantern Festival. All we get are toilets in our Tangled land…
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I'd ride Frozen Journey if it was at WDW and had a short wait (although obviously it wouldn't), but I'm not jealous of it. It would not be anywhere near the top of my list of rides to bring over -- I'd take Beauty and the Beast if we had to pick from all of Tokyo's recent Fantasyland-type attractions.

Peter Pan seems fine for what it is and will probably be a great attraction for some, but it doesn't look remotely interesting to me due to its nature.

Lantern Festival is the one I'd want to ride most, and the one I'd pick to bring to WDW out of the four Fantasy Springs attractions.
 
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ToTBellHop

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UNCgolf said:
I'd ride Frozen Journey if it was at WDW and had a short wait (although obviously it wouldn't), but I'm not jealous of it. It would not be anywhere near the top of my list of rides to bring over -- I'd take Beauty and the Beast if we had to pick from Tokyo's recent Fantasyland-type attractions.

Peter Pan seems fine for what it is and will probably be a great attraction for some, but it doesn't look remotely interesting to me due to its nature.

Lantern Festival is the one I'd want to ride most, and the one I'd pick to bring to WDW out of the four Fantasy Springs attractions.
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I’ve thought that lantern scene needed to be on a boat ride since the first time I saw the movie. It’s sad that I feel like Bob has no problem bringing over clones from DL, DLP, SDL, and HKDL, but we never hear, “and we are bringing over this extremely popular ride from Tokyo Disneyland!” Wonder why that is. We get expensive rides, so it’s not solely cost.
 

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