Elemental (Pixar - June 2023)

TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
We already know that Parks has licensed the characters, as they put both Ember and Wade in the Pixar Hotel. So its already making revenue beyond theatrical.
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There's an Ember character cocktail table firepit that was recently placed by the pool at the Pixar Place Hotel. I have a similar cocktail table firepit hooked up to the backyard propane system on my beach house patio, and it cost a fortune. So I can only imagine how much it costs to make a custom built Pixar character version.

How does spending $5,000 on this (admittedly clever because she's a fiery gal) table at a hotel pool make revenue beyond theatrical?

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TP2000

TP2000

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erasure fan1 said:
The only thing I've seen from Disney on this film was from Morris. He said

“We have a lot of different revenue streams, but at the box office we’re looking at now, it should do better than break even theatrically,”

The key word is should, and like I said, maybe it will. But it's not there yet. If Disney comes out and says the film was profitable, then great. I just think that if all these numbers were so off, Disney would come out and correct them. Or at least clarify. Especially since box office profitability has been the biggest thorn in their side.
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Exactly. It's a forward looking statement on hoped for profitability.

If it had already made a profit, he would have used past tense instead, like "but at the box office we're looking at now, it did better than break even theatrically".

Or if it was so close that they were just waiting for the overseas results to come in on Monday to put them over the top, he would have used present tense, like "but at the box office we're looking at now, we will break even theatrically".

Instead, he used a future tense of "should break even", at some unstated future date. Maybe if it hits $460 Million globally?
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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TP2000 said:
No, that's incorrect. The Numbers site has updated almost all nations box office as of 8/14/23, as it always updates the overseas box office on a Monday night, or Tuesday afternoon at the latest.

Elemental is now two months old, having opened in most overseas markets back on June 15th or the 22nd. It's August 16th today.

The only countries that haven't reported in lately are Croatia, India, and Indonesia. All three of those were miniscule markets for Elemental, so you aren't going to suddenly get the India number to jump up from $443,000 to $5 Million.

The overseas numbers for Elemental are complete and solid, after two months in theaters. And the 40% box office take is the most optimistic of scenarios, as that's what a studio gets in the initial first few weeks. After two months in theaters, the studio gets even less of the box office take than it did when the movie was new. This is also at play in American box office stats.

But to make the studios look as good as possible, we just stick with a flat 60%/40% box office take for these numbers.

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Might want to double check that my friend.

South Korea, Australia, and Taiwan have added $2.5M more than Numbers last updates, for a total of $444.5M.

So no its not done in international markets.

Australia Jun 15, 2023 $11,254,353
South Korea Jun 14, 2023 $50,491,654
Taiwan Jul 6, 2023 $2,991,334

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The Numbers is slower in their international updates than Box Office Mojo, which is why everyone in the industry pretty much uses Box Office Mojo. I'm sure that Numbers will update their rest of their international numbers tomorrow and you'll see it'll match.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
Might want to double check that my friend.
South Korea, Australia, and Taiwan have added $2.5M more than Numbers last updates, for a total of $444.5M.

Australia Jun 15, 2023 $11,254,353
South Korea Jun 14, 2023 $50,491,654
Taiwan Jul 6, 2023 $2,991,334
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The Numbers site has Australia at 11,017,056 as of 8/16, or a difference of $237,297.

The Numbers site has South Korea at $48,756,648 as of 8/16, or a difference of $1,753,006

The Numbers site has Taiwan at $2,991,334 as of 8/14, so no difference with Box Office Mojo.


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The data difference of $1.97 Million from the South Korean and Australian box office in the past 24 hours is not going to suddenly make Elemental profitable. If it would, they wouldn't have to use future tense statements to hope the movie will make a profit theatrically.

Disney Irish said:
The Numbers is slower in their international updates than Box Office Mojo, which is why everyone in the industry pretty much uses Box Office Mojo. I'm sure that Numbers will update their rest of their international numbers tomorrow and you'll see it'll match.
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You aren't in the industry. I'm not in the industry. None of us are in the industry.

You are a kid in a studio apartment in San Jose, and I'm just an old guy on a patio in La Jolla. We're all just hanging out in a silly little fan forum, so let's not pretend that any of us are that cool. You can Google just as well as the next poster or three. ;)
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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TP2000 said:
The Numbers site has Australia at 11,017,056 as of 8/16, or a difference of $237,297.

The Numbers site has South Korea at $48,756,648 as of 8/16, or a difference of $1,753,006

The Numbers site has Taiwan at $2,991,334 as of 8/14, so no difference with Box Office Mojo.


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The data difference of $1.97 Million from the South Korean and Australian box office in the past 24 hours is not going to suddenly make Elemental profitable. If it would, they wouldn't have to use future tense statements to hope the movie will make a profit theatrically.



You aren't in the industry. I'm not in the industry. None of us are in the industry.

You are a kid in a studio apartment in San Jose, and I'm just an old guy on a patio in La Jolla. We're all just hanging out in a silly little fan forum, so let's not pretend that any of us are that cool. You can Google just as well as the next poster or three. ;)
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Sorry about Taiwan, I did a quick look and it looked different. But that doesn't change the point, there is still a difference of $2.49M. The Numbers I'm sure will be updating those other international regions later today or tomorrow.

South Korea is the important one here, as they can't get enough of Elemental.

Also I'm not a kid, and I have a house.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Communicora said:
Sorry, thought you were talking about Disney. SPARX* has worked with Disney since the 90s (in some cases, via shows produced for Disney, not by Disney).
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Though funny enough some of their credits include Illumination films, so I guess they do use animators from Vietnam too....

Maybe Disney should start using them more to bring down animation costs.
 
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doctornick

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dreday3 said:
Does anyone know when this will be available on Disney +? Or any streaming?

thanks!
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It's actually an interesting question as to whether they will stretch out the windows more and delay the appearance on D+. With Elemental having relatively good "legs", it's a good candidate to delay the appearance on streaming for longer as a way to train audiences to not just wait until it is "free" on Disney+
 

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