Electrical Light Parade Replacement?

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Jeffxz

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CaptainAmerica said:
You're still not explaining the genesis of the idea. Why would Director of Magic Kingdom Entertainment Steve put forth a proposal NOT to replace the electrical parade out of nowhere such that he'd go out and fudge surveys to make it look like guests love it when they really don't? You don't see how tinfoil this is?
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Director of Magic Kingdom Steve might have a interest in not replacing the parade even if replacing that parade might be the best thing for Disney as a whole.

What if Steve's personal compensation was based on survey scores, maybe he gets a bigger bonus by having a better score? He may be inclined to have questions asked in a certain way to get the answers that helps him get this bonus.

What if Steve's personal compensation is based on financial goals set by someone else in the company that is out of touch with the Magic Kingdom. If Steve goes and says he needs $30 million for a new nighttime parade, maybe that will cause him to fail in meeting those goals which might affect a bonus or career advancement.

What if Steve has a personal vendetta with someone at WDI that wants a new nighttime parade. Steve might go against it just to hurt someone else that he may consider a threat to his career or just out of personal spite.


While these are all made up scenarios, I don't think any of them are completely out of the realm of possibility or "tinfoil". Assuming that everyone in management in a company this size doesn't have personal goals that outweigh the good of the company as a whole is a little naïve.
 
GiveMeTheMusic

GiveMeTheMusic

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CaptainAmerica said:
I understand organizational inertia and all that but this would have to be deliberate and systematic.
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Obviously it's hard for you to believe, but corporate Disney is an absolute mess. Petty fiefdoms, infighting, lying - just like any other bloated Fortune 500 company. Disney is not immune and they have practices in place that keep these things going.

You can believe it or not, but that doesn't change the fact that yes, when they spend they do so on the wrong things, and yes, they use fakey surveys to justify whatever decisions they want to make. As nice as the idea that MSEP is still running because Disney has some genuine affection for it and the guests who enjoy it, that's not the case.
 
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zulemara

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
Obviously it's hard for you to believe, but corporate Disney is an absolute mess. Petty fiefdoms, infighting, lying - just like any other bloated Fortune 500 company. Disney is not immune and they have practices in place that keep these things going.

You can believe it or not, but that doesn't change the fact that yes, when they spend they do so on the wrong things, and yes, they use fakey surveys to justify whatever decisions they want to make. As nice as the idea that MSEP is still running because Disney has some genuine affection for it and the guests who enjoy it, that's not the case.
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oohhhhhI I believe it, let me tell ya! On top of the surveys about P.I. that NEVER happened, I've seen the insanity just on the front lines up to GSMs and area managers. I can only imagine what corporate Disney is like!
 
ToInfinityAndBeyond

ToInfinityAndBeyond

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I say you are both right in some capacity. I'm not naïve enough to believe that corporate Disney is free of its own little Game of Thrones. I'm also not cynical enough to believe that every single thing that ever happens in Disney is tainted with a dark history of bloodshed and slave trafficking.

I just don't think the surveys are used in such great a capacity to get a bonus as has been suggested. Some companies take their surveys very seriously, but they're usually just a starting point. There are a billion other factors that come in to play. It would be much easier for Steve to make an argument that a new parade would not be cost-effective. That's a much stronger argument. I don't think they're sitting in a meeting, MSEP comes up on the screen, and then Steve stands up and says: "Look at how many people love MSEP." If he really doesn't want to build a new one why not, "We have something that works and we don't need to spend money on something else just yet. We have other priorities."
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Po'Rich said:
I just want to say that I like the Electric Parade. The spinning snails make me smile.


Okay, I'll slink off to the corner and shut up now.
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I like it, too. I also liked Fantasy in the Sky. Both should be nostalgic memories, now. We should like everything Disney makes, but that doesn't mean we should have them forever. Tapestry of Nations?
 
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doctornick

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Po'Rich said:
I just want to say that I like the Electric Parade. The spinning snails make me smile.


Okay, I'll slink off to the corner and shut up now.
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I rather love the MSEP, so you're not alone.

Personally, I'd be fine with another parade replacing it with new floats, but I want to see Baroque Hoedown used. To me, that song is every bit a part of the Disney parks music legacy as Yo Ho, Grim Grinning Ghosts, IASW, etc. and it would be sad to lose it.
 
NearTheEars

NearTheEars

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I believe most survey fudging is done for the benefit of a manager or executive that wants to prove that their ideas are working.

Look at how often executives move between different companies. Few are loyal lifers. Many are likely interested in building their own brand instead of improving the company's product.

So they climb the ladder and move on when the opportunity arises.

I don't believe in many of the conspiracy theories thrown around here, and I don't think this is one of them.

But like I said earlier, I'm a MSEP fan. If it went away, I'd hope it was replaced with something even better.
 
kjb101791

kjb101791

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ToInfinityAndBeyond said:
You guys are telling me you are willing to part with these wonderful, skipping patriots?

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Who are wearing red coats!!! Didn't they attend the 7th grade to know the British wore red coats?? The soundtrack does make me happy but the entire parade is certainly dated.
 
JasonP

JasonP

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So Spectromagic is dead? I was hoping that since MSEP was at WDW, Spectro was at the other lands. =( I know they were flip flopping them with Land for a number of years. Going to miss Spectro!
 
gmajew

gmajew

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I feel parades and shows should be changed out every 5 years to keep them fresh for all types of visitors.

That would mean those that visit once every couple of years a chance to see it and those that visit every year don't get burnt out by same thing.

So if I was running things I would switch out the night parade now then in four years the new day parade is rolled out.

If they don't want to redo full parade due to cost then I would introduce new floats every year to keep it fresh for guest.

With a complete redo after 8 years.
 
JenniferS

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
JasonP said:
So Spectromagic is dead? I was hoping that since MSEP was at WDW, Spectro was at the other lands. =( I know they were flip flopping them with Land for a number of years. Going to miss Spectro!
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Spectro was improperly stored, allowed to rot to pieces, and now is basically landfill.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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We would be very fortunate to get a copy of Paint the Night. Which reuses Baroque Hoedown. We've been left behind by the other Disney Resorts.

It's also no surprise Dismeyland is enlisting Owl City, since the HKDL version uses a blend of an Owl City song dubbed in Chinese (When Can I See You Again from Wreck-It Ralph) with Baroque Hoedown.
 
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