Effect of Hong Kong Deal on Walt Disney World?

njDizFan

Well-Known Member
This is the old, if it doesnt affect me personally- I don't care, attitude. Now that we live in a global economy and Disney being a global brand, this will definately affect many decisions for the future. I'm glad HKDL is getting it's expansion.

by the way aren't you the poster who wants to put an oil rig on the Jersey shore, your own backyard? It's the same selfish arguement, as long as my current situation isn't going to be altered let someone else deal with it in the future. Or in the case of HKDL, give me mine now the heck with everyone else.
 

SirGoofy

Member
This is the old, if it doesnt affect me personally- I don't care, attitude. Now that we live in a global economy and Disney being a global brand, this will definately affect many decisions for the future. I'm glad HKDL is getting it's expansion.

by the way aren't you the poster who wants to put an oil rig on the Jersey shore, your own backyard? It's the same selfish arguement, as long as my current situation isn't going to be altered let someone else deal with it in the future. Or in the case of HKDL, give me mine now the heck with everyone else.

Yup, sad isn't it?

I'm just excited because now my inevitable Asian Disney trip will include Hong Kong!:D
 

Mr.EPCOT

Active Member
I'm very intrigued by the exciting new iterations of some of our classic favorites (including the Adventurers Club), but I have to say that I'm a bit bothered by the somewhat haphazard, almost sloppy arrangement the new areas are being placed in. What is Toy Story Land doing as an off-shoot of Adventureland, for example?
 

Figment632

New Member
This is the old, if it doesnt affect me personally- I don't care, attitude. Now that we live in a global economy and Disney being a global brand, this will definately affect many decisions for the future. I'm glad HKDL is getting it's expansion.

by the way aren't you the poster who wants to put an oil rig on the Jersey shore, your own backyard? It's the same selfish arguement, as long as my current situation isn't going to be altered let someone else deal with it in the future. Or in the case of HKDL, give me mine now the heck with everyone else.

If the oil rig brings gas prices down put in my front yard for all I care. I just think WDW contiually gets the shaft its an opinion am I not allowed to have that?
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
I understand your point but I have to agree with Figment632. Those of us who have been going to WDW have been paying more into the Disney behemoth than we've been receiving in updates for years. We financed the bad movies (Condorman, Something Wicked This Way Comes, etc.), DCA, expansion into Europe and China, and bad acquisitions (CapCities/ABC, go.com, etc.). In fact WDW is the collateral on many Disney loans. Disney has a fiduciary responsiblity to its shareholders for sure but it first needs to fulfill the expectations of its visiting public to remain successful.

I just returned from WDW and was very disappointed at the low value driven primarily by high prices. WDW is a tremendous profit machine but Disney keeps reinvestment low while prices go up. I have cancelled my trip for 2010 because it's not worth the money to recirculate old experiences. Charge $75/day but give people at least a $75 experience, not a $37.50 experience which is where they are now.


Condorman was a bad decision. ABC/CapCities was not...don't forget that the most watched sports network around the world came with aquiring ABC...and it gave them a guarenteed distribution outlet for Disney programming. And it was a helluvalot cheaper than buying CBS, which was definitely a possibility. ABC was a good call.

Disneyland Paris wasn't a bad investment either...the bad economy played a big part in the initial problems, along with the French President initially vowing never to set foot in the park. It seems to be a big hit now.

Anyway. People shouldn't be so dense and just say off the bat they they'll never visit China or have no interest in ever seeing any of the international parks. That's a prime example of American ignorence. I have a goal to see all of the Disney Parks within the next 10 years and look forward to the different experiences that each one has to offer.

And Magnum, so do only ride new attractions when you go to WDW since you dont like to recirculate old experiences? I bet you shudder when you walk past Small World then! :rolleyes:

WDW is about getting away from your everyday and enjoying the time away with your family. New attractions would definitely be nice (and they are on their way) but I do know that no vacation to WDW is definitely not nice... :dazzle:
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
This is the old, if it doesnt affect me personally- I don't care, attitude. Now that we live in a global economy and Disney being a global brand, this will definately affect many decisions for the future. I'm glad HKDL is getting it's expansion.

by the way aren't you the poster who wants to put an oil rig on the Jersey shore, your own backyard? It's the same selfish arguement, as long as my current situation isn't going to be altered let someone else deal with it in the future. Or in the case of HKDL, give me mine now the heck with everyone else.


The idea is build oil-rigs now so we stop sending money overseas while we're researching how to get off of fossil fuels completely. Doesn't seem so selfish to me...actually it seems well thought out.

I think we should rigs off the Florida shores too.
 

Figment632

New Member
Condorman was a bad decision. ABC/CapCities was not...don't forget that the most watched sports network around the world came with aquiring ABC...and it gave them a guarenteed distribution outlet for Disney programming. And it was a helluvalot cheaper than buying CBS, which was definitely a possibility. ABC was a good call.

Disneyland Paris wasn't a bad investment either...the bad economy played a big part in the initial problems, along with the French President initially vowing never to set foot in the park. It seems to be a big hit now.

Anyway. People shouldn't be so dense and just say off the bat they they'll never visit China or have no interest in ever seeing any of the international parks. That's a prime example of American ignorence. I have a goal to see all of the Disney Parks within the next 10 years and look forward to the different experiences that each one has to offer.

And Magnum, so do only ride new attractions when you go to WDW since you dont like to recirculate old experiences? I bet you shudder when you walk past Small World then! :rolleyes:

WDW is about getting away from your everyday and enjoying the time away with your family. New attractions would definitely be nice (and they are on their way) but I do know that no vacation to WDW is definitely not nice... :dazzle:

I would love to go to DLP and maybe TDL but why do I get killed for having 0 interest in visiting China?
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
It seemed that prior to the DCA investment Disney operated as if the Theme Parks had matured/plateaued. Granted the investment in DCA and HKDL was into parks that may not have reached this level, but it does appear that there is a change in philosophy of how the theme parks can grow.

Can they operate a park that reaches 20 million guests in a year? I think if the OLC keeps investing in Tokyo that may come sooner than people expect. A while ago, Rasulo said something about the length of time between E-Tickets, I don't remember the time frame, but it represented a mindset that the parks popularity has peaked. I really don't feel that's the case, as we saw with the Happiest Celebration on Earth - an investment in major attractions dramatically effects attendance, and some of the recent additions (Soarin', Expedition Everest, Toy Story Mania) have maintained that popularity.

I don't think it's necessary or realistic to expect an E-Ticket in every park, every year or two, but given the current state of each of the parks, I think a 10-15 year cycle where 2 E's and a D are added to each of the parks is an ambitious, but realistic approach to growth. More importantly, there is space in each of these parks to add attractions, not replace them. Increasing capacity at each of the parks is going to be a necessary sooner rather than later. Disney doesn't want to be in a position where people are thwarted by crowds, they want to be able to have those crowds, maintain those crowds and have people feel that even amidst the large crowds they can leave the parks satisfied that they got their moneys worth.
 

yeti

Well-Known Member
Maybe they just wanted a closer look at Lao's books, and Bob Iger will go swooping in to bring him back to Gotham so Harvey can prosecute him and the syndicate?

:shrug:

....until Jay Rasulo gets his phone call, blows up the jail, and sets Lao free, only to burn him along with a pile of money later on.

:cool:
 

njDizFan

Well-Known Member
The idea is build oil-rigs now so we stop sending money overseas while we're researching how to get off of fossil fuels completely. Doesn't seem so selfish to me...actually it seems well thought out.

I think we should rigs off the Florida shores too.
well think about it. A billion dollars to build a deep sea oil rig. 10 years to design, build and finally get your first barrel of oil. Then we are stuck with the possibility of contamination of the environment and with a billion dollar commitment, the oil companies will then have to put off future investments in alternative sources. This just propogates the need for oil instead of finding a way of living without it. It's not worth the risk of decades more of burning fossil fuels when it may not be neccesary by investing in the future now.

I live in NJ and I dont want to see an oil rig on my beach. But even if I lived in Kansas, why not solve the problem now instead of leaving it for our children/grandchildren, if there actually is a planet left for them to live on.


Does this make me a environment doom and gloomer or a realist....
 

Figment632

New Member
well think about it. A billion dollars to build a deep sea oil rig. 10 years to design, build and finally get your first barrel of oil. Then we are stuck with the possibility of contamination of the environment and with a billion dollar commitment, the oil companies will then have to put off future investments in alternative sources. This just propogates the need for oil instead of finding a way of living without it. It's not worth the risk of decades more of burning fossil fuels when it may not be neccesary by investing in the future now.

I live in NJ and I dont want to see an oil rig on my beach. But even if I lived in Kansas, why not solve the problem now instead of leaving it for our children/grandchildren, if there actually is a planet left for them to live on.


Does this make me a environment doom and gloomer or a realist....

Well there curently is no cost effective alternative.
 

SirGoofy

Member
I would also like to bring up a point for discussion.

This expansion makes the Magic Kingdom, the park that is supposed to be the crown jewel for the Disney Park's empire, the worst Disneyland-style park in the world.

Just throwing that out there.
 

Figment632

New Member
I would also like to bring up a point for discussion.

This expansion makes the Magic Kingdom, the park that is supposed to be the crown jewel for the Disney Park's empire, the worst Disneyland-style park in the world.

Just throwing that out there.

Yea well when it's been 20 years since the addition of a major eticket I would have to agree.
 

Walter Yensid

Active Member
Condorman was a bad decision. ABC/CapCities was not...don't forget that the most watched sports network around the world came with aquiring ABC...and it gave them a guarenteed distribution outlet for Disney programming. And it was a helluvalot cheaper than buying CBS, which was definitely a possibility. ABC was a good call.

Disneyland Paris wasn't a bad investment either...the bad economy played a big part in the initial problems, along with the French President initially vowing never to set foot in the park. It seems to be a big hit now.

Anyway. People shouldn't be so dense and just say off the bat they they'll never visit China or have no interest in ever seeing any of the international parks. That's a prime example of American ignorence. I have a goal to see all of the Disney Parks within the next 10 years and look forward to the different experiences that each one has to offer.

And Magnum, so do only ride new attractions when you go to WDW since you dont like to recirculate old experiences? I bet you shudder when you walk past Small World then! :rolleyes:

WDW is about getting away from your everyday and enjoying the time away with your family. New attractions would definitely be nice (and they are on their way) but I do know that no vacation to WDW is definitely not nice... :dazzle:

Devoy,

Completely agree and was about to type the same thing.

The ABC acquisition was probably one of the smartest moves Eisner and Disney ever did. As you said, they picked up ESPN, almost as an afterthought, which generates more profit than any of the other channels combined...of course, I do not think Disney at the time had any idea how important this part of the purchase was.

Additionally, it allowed them to expand the influence of the Disney Channel (by blackmailing the cable/satellite operators to carry Disney Channel or no ESPN), which has allowed them to create worldwide and billion dollar brands like Lizzie McGuire, Hannah Montana and Jonas Brothers (yeah, many of us are not big fans, but lots of $$$). Nevermind, all the advertising, marketing, and promotional synergies you get by having these channels, especially a major one like ABC, across all your divisions. Plus, the fair market value of the whole package of those channels with ESPN is so far higher than what they paid...and they paid a lot then.

Bad movies. What Disney is not allowed to have a bad movie? Every studio is allowed bad movies and we cannot say our visits are just financing these bad one. Call me crazy, but I think their good ones, and their blockbuster ones, finance their bad ones. I think Pirates 1, 2, and 3 made up for a bunch of mistakes as well as UP, National Treasure, etc.

So, I do not agree with those arguments and that HK does not deserve the expansion (I actually feel Disney screwed up by making such a small park anyway...I mean, really small). But, I do agree with you that Disney needs to show value to retain its existing customers to WDW. You are a customer that wants new attractions to justify the price increase, which is completely understandable. For me, I have gone there over 25 times all the way from MA and I have loved it everytime. If I was local and went there multiple times a year, I may be in your camp. But, I do not mind because there seems to be at least one or two new things (even if not E ticket or anything big) on top of all the many existing attractions that I love. Last time it was TSM, one time it was EE, etc. This year (actually I leave tomorrow...yeah!), I want to check out American Idol, HOP, Luxo Jr, etc. Next time will be Space Mountain. Considering I am there once or twice a year, I do not get bored of it and just have fun. Honestly, I actually enjoy going down there more now that I have been on everything, so I do not have to run around so much to get to everything first. Much more relaxing and you get to notice the smaller details.

There are probably millions of people like me and a ton of people like you. Disney seems to have a formula for it, but I do hope that any efforts elsewhere do not affect that formula here. And we sort of have to throw it the last year or so because I think the economy, no matter if we agree or not with their decision, caused Disney to delay certain projects.

Of course, I do love new things and am praying there are some new announcements (which I believe are coming), but no matter, I know I will love my time down there starting tomorrow.
 

uklad79

Member
Seeing that I could careless about parks that arent in the US Id rather have the money spent on a domestic park.

Well since the USA spends so much cash in China what does it matter if a bit more is? Plus if this helps the park become profitable some of that cash will flow back to the USA ;)
 

Figment632

New Member
Well since the USA spends so much cash in China what does it matter if a bit more is? Plus if this helps the park become profitable some of that cash will flow back to the USA ;)

Thats another story that we can discuss in PM but hopefully it will work out im just a naturally skeptical person.
 

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