Eddie Sotto's take on the current state of the parks (Part II)

Mansion Butler

Mansion Butler

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jt04 said:
In such a case I would rather they theme the tunnels and then build the b-ticket at another time. It makes no sense to me that would consider any other possibility. Just a pet peeve of mine.
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They waited a while, but at least they built an E Ticket.
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Jeanine

Jeanine

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So as a side note to the papers showing Walt's plans for the dedication plaque, and in the interests of TDS' anniversary, here's a photo of the Tokyo DisneySeas plaque:

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Interesting to see the differences, although the list of destinations seems like a pretty clear callback to the list of lands.

I like to think Walt would have come up with a phrasing that didn't require 2 "and"s so close together.
 
Eddie Sotto

Eddie Sotto

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Jeanine said:
So as a side note to the papers showing Walt's plans for the dedication plaque, and in the interests of TDS' anniversary, here's a photo of the Tokyo DisneySeas plaque:

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Interesting to see the differences, although the list of destinations seems like a pretty clear callback to the list of lands.

I like to think Walt would have come up with a phrasing that didn't require 2 "and"s so close together.
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True enough. Didn't Mark Twain say "I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I've written a long one instead." -It would have been fun to read "here you enter a world where we had a decent budget" Thanks for sharing.
 
Eddie Sotto

Eddie Sotto

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Mansion Butler said:
I was there for it in person.

It made me cry.
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I think Tony was trying for a copper or bronze patina look to make it more Vernian looking, but it didn't really work on that scale, it's just brown. Not very optimistic. Once you decide to market the Tomorrowland as "new", you can end up with change for it's own sake to tie the facelift together. Good thing it was only paint and now the building is white again. As they say, if you're not failing enough, you're not experimenting enough.

So this question of white as a kind of "Tomorrowland" or "futuristic" color and part of the futurism movement intrigued me. The NYWF of 1939 has white as it's predominant color for the central areas and so did the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. Brazilia and the TWA terminal in NYC. The iPhone 4 in White. It's minimal and clean, I know, but I wanted to know more. I did some reading on the art movement of futurism in italy in the early 20th Century and even some of the Italian designers and their buildings with spires. It is an interesting scan to see the violence and color that was part of this early movement of futurism. My fave quote was this..

Believing in progress does not mean believing that any progress has yet been made. (Franz Kafka)

The Italian manifesto of futurist architecture is here and it's a rant! Death to all ornament!

http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/architecture.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism
http://weimarart.blogspot.com/2010/08/wenzel-hablik.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Sant'Elia
 
HMF

HMF

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Eddie Sotto said:
I think Tony was trying for a copper or bronze patina look to make it more Vernian looking, but it didn't really work on that scale, it's just brown. Not very optimistic. Once you decide to market the Tomorrowland as "new", you can end up with change for it's own sake to tie the facelift together. Good thing it was only paint and now the building is white again. As they say, if you're not failing enough, you're not experimenting enough
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One of Tony's occasional not-so good ideas.
 
MarkTwain

MarkTwain

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Eddie Sotto said:
I think Tony was trying for a copper or bronze patina look to make it more Vernian looking, but it didn't really work on that scale, it's just brown. Not very optimistic. Once you decide to market the Tomorrowland as "new", you can end up with change for it's own sake to tie the facelift together. Good thing it was only paint and now the building is white again. As they say, if you're not failing enough, you're not experimenting enough.

So this question of white as a kind of "Tomorrowland" or "futuristic" color and part of the futurism movement intrigued me. The NYWF of 1939 has white as it's predominant color for the central areas and so did the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. Brazilia and the TWA terminal in NYC. The iPhone 4 in White. It's minimal and clean, I know, but I wanted to know more. I did some reading on the art movement of futurism in italy in the early 20th Century and even some of the Italian designers and their buildings with spires. It is an interesting scan to see the violence and color that was part of this early movement of futurism. My fave quote was this..

Believing in progress does not mean believing that any progress has yet been made. (Franz Kafka)

The Italian manifesto of futurist architecture is here and it's a rant! Death to all ornament!

http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/architecture.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism
http://weimarart.blogspot.com/2010/08/wenzel-hablik.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Sant'Elia
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I've seen photos of it that I've liked, though.

http://lostworld.pair.com/disneyland/tomorrowland/tomorrowland_images/space_mtn_apr19.jpg
http://lostworld.pair.com/disneyland/tomorrowland/tomorrowland_images/space-may99-1.jpg

I think these photos work, though, because they emphasize the paint scheme's shininess and multi-chromaticism, unlike every other photo where it looks like just a matte brown. If they had made Space Mountain glossier and more colorful like these photos suggest, then it may have been more successful.

Still prefer the white, though.
 
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trs518

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EPCOT was really Walt's dream. Unfortunately the original intention died with him.

The question is....could they have designed this into EPCOT? Considering the two mile runway that would have to have been built on a swamp and all the safety precautions that would have been put in place it would have been very interesting.

Imagine taking a rocket to DisneyWorld!!! I think Walt would have liked that.
 
Eddie Sotto

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
trs518 said:
EPCOT was really Walt's dream. Unfortunately the original intention died with him.

The question is....could they have designed this into EPCOT? Considering the two mile runway that would have to have been built on a swamp and all the safety precautions that would have been put in place it would have been very interesting.

Imagine taking a rocket to DisneyWorld!!! I think Walt would have liked that.
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Let's live up to the promise. Where else would you expect a real commercial spaceport?
 
Eddie Sotto

Eddie Sotto

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trs518 said:
Disney By Mark has an interesting article about the evolution of Splash Mountain. Nothing groundbreaking, but a quick, good read.

http://www.disneybymark.com/
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Thank you. Never been to that site. John Stone's drawings are really easy to read with lots of information. Nice work. The one thing to add to any field sketch is a 6 foot person so you are sure, not just of the details but relative scale in relation to people. So much of the park is scaled downward and SM at times seems full sized or more. When I first started out in design, an ex Imagineer (Fred Hope) did this and showed me. He had the person drawn in scale on tracing paper and would move them across my elevations to see if they felt right from a human perspective. Some of my details had migrated into being either too big or too small. I got into trouble on the new Jungle Cruise Boathouse because I didn't check the scale when it was modeled and it evolved into the final drawings as full size. Had to add scaled down details to bring it back in line. From then on I was more careful.

BTW John Stone worked on Indiana Jones and many of Tony Baxter's projects. John was someone Tony depended on to come through for him and beyond sketches, he models as well. John was the fastest modeler I've ever seen! Great to see his work online. Very nice guy.
 
Eddie Sotto

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
Signs of the Times.

I could not BELIEVE the story on Miceage where the WDW signs are peeling apart. Did you read this? There must be an explanation like "the vendor put up some defective material and it will be changed right away". Kevin's article says it's been like that. Hard to swallow. This can't be due to neglect. Check it out. Kevin, is there more to this? If I saved up 10 grand to spend with my family there and this was my first impression, I'd either cry or head to Universal.

http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky090611a.htm
 
DisneyFan 2000

DisneyFan 2000

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I was more concerned with Splash Mountain's current state. A few pealing signs I can take, but seeing the ride in such obvious need of repair really bothers me (especially since I'm not of the die-hards that can spot every teeny show detail that is or isn't working. Being able to catch the faults really proved to me how glaring they are).
 
KevinYee

KevinYee

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Eddie Sotto said:
I could not BELIEVE the story on Miceage where the WDW signs are peeling apart. Did you read this? There must be an explanation like "the vendor put up some defective material and it will be changed right away". Kevin's article says it's been like that. Hard to swallow. This can't be due to neglect. Check it out. Kevin, is there more to this? If I saved up 10 grand to spend with my family there and this was my first impression, I'd either cry or head to Universal.

http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky090611a.htm
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I've got no further info on this - a person I speak with said he checked into it and was told facilities knows about it, but that was all he could find out. I am continuing to dig.
 
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JamieD

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During my recent visit, I noticed a completely dark spot just before an interior drop that left me feeling like something was missing or I was seeing a portion of backstage. It's been a few years since I had ridden SM, so maybe it's always been there, but it felt like a glaring hole.
 
invader

invader

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JamieD said:
During my recent visit, I noticed a completely dark spot just before an interior drop that left me feeling like something was missing or I was seeing a portion of backstage. It's been a few years since I had ridden SM, so maybe it's always been there, but it felt like a glaring hole.
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If I remember correctly, the first indoor drop has always had that feel.
 

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