DVC Member needs more !

toolsnspools

Well-Known Member
I can see giving a discount for loyalty. Like why don't AP renewals get cheaper every additional year or every five years that you buy one. At least they could offer a lifetime of renewals at the same price you paid the first time you renewed, even though the prices keep going up.
 

Lynne M

Active Member
Also, they make a HUGE amount of money on the annual dues (I'm not convinced that the maintenance portion of dues goes right back into the resort).

Of course they go right back into the resort.

Timeshares, including DVC, are heavily regulated under Florida law. Accounting statements must be provided to each member (and to the state) that show where ALL of the money collected as maintenance fees goes. I find it impossible to believe that Disney could, or would, skim huge amounts of money off the maintenance fees after paying the operating costs of the resort, and then manage to hide it from the accountants and FL regulators. They're not that stupid.
 

tjkraz

Active Member
I would say to all the DVC members that I want to reward them for the royality that they have shown to Walt Disney World. I these hard times DVC members have been key to keeping WDW the only major parks in the US that have not shown a decline in attendence.

While the lack of attendance decline may be true, I doubt DVC members are primarily to thank. Disneyland has fared much better than Walt Disney World and yet the DVC presence there is negligible.

When any company bows-down to worship one subset of its client base, it risks alienating many others. How would FL and CA residents respond to DVC members getting "special perks in tough times"? How about Annual Passholders? How about UK residents--a very important tourist market for WDW? How about the family who drops $5,000 on an annual pilgrimage to stay at the Poly?

Giving DVC members free instant Fast Passes may seem like a low cost way to say "thanks", but it's also a move that impacts every single paying guest who enters the theme parks. There are over 2500 two bedroom equivalent DVC villas at Walt Disney World now. With a max occupancy of up to 9, we're talking about tens-of-thousands of people given the privilege of skipping lines. And we all know people would largely gravitate to the same attractions--Toy Story Mania, Soarin, Everest, MK mountains. Try explaining to locals, passholders, and every single day guest that it's fair to give DVC members this privilege while they face longer standby lines and later FP return times.

It's ironic to me that these discussions always revolve around "getting just a little something." In reality we DO get "a little something." Despite claims to the contrary, what posters really seem to want is "a lot of something."

We have an entire slate of dining, recreation, shopping and tour discounts. We have the best AP discount outside of resident programs. We are the only group to get free Internet service at DVC resorts. We get discounts on the after-hours parties at the MK, special shopping discount days at DTD, discounts on broadway shows, Atlanta Braves tickets at WWoS, discounted admission for the waterparks and DisneyQuest, a discount golf program, PhotoPass discounts, holiday mixers, members-only cruises and so on.

And it's not like the list is unchanging. Every few months there are new offers posted on the member website and added to the perks booklet.

I won't pretend that the discounts will save most people hundreds of dollars on a given trip, but the posts here claim to be asking for just some token to show members their appreciation. That is EXACTLY what we get.
 

chwilson88

Member
Giving DVC members free instant Fast Passes may seem like a low cost way to say "thanks", but it's also a move that impacts every single paying guest who enters the theme parks. There are over 2500 two bedroom equivalent DVC villas at Walt Disney World now. With a max occupancy of up to 9, we're talking about tens-of-thousands of people given the privilege of skipping lines. And we all know people would largely gravitate to the same attractions--Toy Story Mania, Soarin, Everest, MK mountains. Try explaining to locals, passholders, and every single day guest that it's fair to give DVC members this privilege while they face longer standby lines and later FP return times.

It's ironic to me that these discussions always revolve around "getting just a little something." In reality we DO get "a little something." Despite claims to the contrary, what posters really seem to want is "a lot of something."

I know for a fact that VIP fast passes are handed out to visitors in large quantities on any given day, for various reasons that I won't discuss here. I maintain that this would indeed be a small perk for DVC members that wouldn't cause any other visitor any undue harm...so you get into the attraction faster, big deal.

As any person in the financial industry will attest to, there's a big difference between receipt of money now versus later. DVC members drop huge amounts of money (10s of thousands) NOW, as compared to the family paying 5k every few years to stay at Poly. DVC money now in large amounts is worth a LOT more to the financials of WDW. Thus there is no comparison to be made there, regarding whether they would feel slighted at all for DVC members getting a fast pass.

Plus, I doubt that a DVC member getting an instant fast pass would be even visible to the general public attendance at the parks....how would any one of the "locals" even know about this "perK', in order to feel slighted? I think it would be something that would make DVC members feel a little more special about their huge investment, and it would largely not impact any of the other guests or Disney's wallet.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I know for a fact that VIP fast passes are handed out to visitors in large quantities on any given day, for various reasons that I won't discuss here. I maintain that this would indeed be a small perk for DVC members that wouldn't cause any other visitor any undue harm...so you get into the attraction faster, big deal.

As any person in the financial industry will attest to, there's a big difference between receipt of money now versus later. DVC members drop huge amounts of money (10s of thousands) NOW, as compared to the family paying 5k every few years to stay at Poly. DVC money now in large amounts is worth a LOT more to the financials of WDW. Thus there is no comparison to be made there, regarding whether they would feel slighted at all for DVC members getting a fast pass.

Plus, I doubt that a DVC member getting an instant fast pass would be even visible to the general public attendance at the parks....how would any one of the "locals" even know about this "perK', in order to feel slighted? I think it would be something that would make DVC members feel a little more special about their huge investment, and it would largely not impact any of the other guests or Disney's wallet.
If DVC members suddenly got a golden fast pass it would be on every Disney message board, facebook and twitter account within 10 minutes of launch.

Waking Tink was once almost unknown special event. Thanks to the internet and a couple of dozen families trying to do this every morning it had to be modified to the point where it is about as special as ordering a hamburger.

The paint brushes on TSI. Like waking Tink this was largely unknown and could be done with relative ease and enjoyment. Now the opening of TSI is is like going to the launch of the latest video game system when a store has only 5 in stock.
 

DVCOwner

A Long Time DVC Member
Many groups are singled out, such as those living in FL. I can think of one thing that Disney Parks could do for DVC members that I do not think would effect others, give us the same discounts that those living in FL get. This can be justified by all DVC members own property on Walt Disney World and they always say "Welcome Home" when I walk in. So let me buy FL tickets or annual passes, TIW discount passes, etc.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Home owner needs more perks

I purchased a home and I think I deserve more perks. I paid quite a bit of money up front for my house, I pay property takes ever year, and I put quite a bit of money into my community. It always upsets me when I dive past apartments and see signs like 'First month Free!". Why cant I get a month for free? After all I spent quite a bit of money buying into my neighborhood and I think I deserve more. I think I should get a front of the line pass at the DMV and I think that I should get discounts at all the stores in my neighborhood. After all I have committed to staying here by buying a house. Sure I will save money in the long run, which was the whole reason I bought a house in the first place, but that is not the point. I deserve more because I made a commitment.
 

ncstate7991

Member
Quick Question ... how many annual passes can you get at a discount if one persons name is listed on the deed of DVC. For example, the deed is listed in fathers name. Can the mother and 2 children also receive the discount? We are looking into DVC and seriously considering buying in at BLT and I want to make sure I do everything right the first time.
 

tjkraz

Active Member
I know for a fact that VIP fast passes are handed out to visitors in large quantities on any given day, for various reasons that I won't discuss here. I maintain that this would indeed be a small perk for DVC members that wouldn't cause any other visitor any undue harm...so you get into the attraction faster, big deal.

The numbers of these passes given out daily are nothing that I would label "large quantities"...certainly nothing approaching what they would be if you had 2500 DVC villas X up to 9 guests each receiving the added perk.

DVC occasionally uses these special Fast Passes as a touring incentive but even then they are highly controlled. There are limits to how many can be distributed on a given day and DVC must compensate the Parks & Resorts division for every single one that is given out.

As any person in the financial industry will attest to, there's a big difference between receipt of money now versus later. DVC members drop huge amounts of money (10s of thousands) NOW, as compared to the family paying 5k every few years to stay at Poly. DVC money now in large amounts is worth a LOT more to the financials of WDW. Thus there is no comparison to be made there, regarding whether they would feel slighted at all for DVC members getting a fast pass.

Of course there is a comparison to be made. Psychologically you are telling Disney hotel guests that they aren't entitled to as appealing a theme park experience as DVC members receive.

A Poly guest has to come back 5 hours later to use his TSM Fast Pass or wait in a 2-hour standby line. The DVC member--thousands of DVC members--get to ride immediately. The backlash would be unheard of.

DVC revenues pale in comparison to the money Disney earns daily on its 25,000-30,000 cash hotel rooms and suites. The money paid up front is part of the quid pro quo of DVC ownership. We KNOW that we are giving DVC $20,000+, but we do so willingly and with the knowledge that it will allow us to vacation for pennies on the dollar over the next 4-5 decades.

Sorry but I don't see Disney taking any actions which would allow resort hotel guests to be viewed as second class citizens. It's one thing to quietly give away a few hundred FPs daily as touring incentives, Give-A-Day rewards, etc. It's quite another to institutionalize the perk and give out tens-of-thousands of the passes on a recurring basis.

Plus, I doubt that a DVC member getting an instant fast pass would be even visible to the general public attendance at the parks....how would any one of the "locals" even know about this "perK', in order to feel slighted? I think it would be something that would make DVC members feel a little more special about their huge investment, and it would largely not impact any of the other guests or Disney's wallet.

Of course they would know about it. EVERYONE would know about it. We're living in an age where topics like new recordings on TTA and burnt-out light bulbs are the topic of 25-page discussion threads. And you really believe that non-DVC members would simply shrug their shoulders at tens-of-thousands of DVC members getting additional line-cutting privileges?!?! :rolleyes:

This move would absolutely impact other guests and thus Disney's wallet, too. Attractions can only accommodate so many guests per day.For every instant FP that is used, the return times on normal FPs gets later. On popular attractions (which is where DVC members would use their special privileges) the daily supply of FPs would be exhausted much quicker and standby lines would only grow as the day went on. To some degree, Disney would inevitably lose business from people who decide that the wait times have become excessive.

Many groups are singled out, such as those living in FL. I can think of one thing that Disney Parks could do for DVC members that I do not think would effect others, give us the same discounts that those living in FL get. This can be justified by all DVC members own property on Walt Disney World and they always say "Welcome Home" when I walk in. So let me buy FL tickets or annual passes, TIW discount passes, etc.

I agree you could make an argument for DVC members gaining access to some of that resident ticket media. However, I think Disney's motivation for offering such passes is what keeps them from doing it.

A big part of the reasoning behind FL resident passes--and the entire motivation for TIW--is to attract restaurant business. It's an inexpensive means to enable residents to dine at Chefs de France or Yak & Yeti rather than their local Applebees. Residents tend to come in small spurts, often times not going on a single attraction.

DVC member usage of such passes would be very different. Saving $100 on an AP is a very attractive benefit--one that we've only had for 5 years now. Honestly as long as that perk remains in effect, I doubt we will see other ticket media offered or discounted.

Extending TIW purchase to DVC members seems like a more realistic move. Don't know that it will ever happen, though.

Quick Question ... how many annual passes can you get at a discount if one persons name is listed on the deed of DVC. For example, the deed is listed in fathers name. Can the mother and 2 children also receive the discount? We are looking into DVC and seriously considering buying in at BLT and I want to make sure I do everything right the first time.

Members can buy up to 8 discounted passes per year. The discounted passes are available to DVC members and any immediate family living in the same household. Photo ID of the member and any adult relation must be provided at the time the pass is obtained in order to be eligible for the discount.
 

chwilson88

Member
I purchased a home and I think I deserve more perks. I paid quite a bit of money up front for my house, I pay property takes ever year, and I put quite a bit of money into my community. It always upsets me when I dive past apartments and see signs like 'First month Free!". Why cant I get a month for free? After all I spent quite a bit of money buying into my neighborhood and I think I deserve more. I think I should get a front of the line pass at the DMV and I think that I should get discounts at all the stores in my neighborhood. After all I have committed to staying here by buying a house. Sure I will save money in the long run, which was the whole reason I bought a house in the first place, but that is not the point. I deserve more because I made a commitment.

That's a good one. Not quite an apples-to-apples analogy...going from every-day home ownership to a luxury vacation but I respect the point you're making. We'll see, I think more perks are coming and well deserved, but we'll just have to wait and see. I think Jimmy Thick would be on my side on this one!
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
That's a good one. Not quite an apples-to-apples analogy...going from every-day home ownership to a luxury vacation but I respect the point you're making. We'll see, I think more perks are coming and well deserved, but we'll just have to wait and see. I think Jimmy Thick would be on my side on this one!
That ain't exactly the best argument.:lookaroun. The one question to ask yourself if how does this benefit Disney? All perks are given with the idea that they will yield a financial return. Nothing is ever free.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
The perk gets me to the parks, resorts, possibly more often, and gets me to spend more $$$ - plenty of ROI in my opinion.
You have an allotment of points that you have to use, sell or loose. How would a golden fast pass or reduced price tickets get you do go more? Are you actuality saying that you would be willing to plunk down another $15k for more points because of a couple of hundred bucks in ticket discounts? Disney already has you in the boat. They don't need to keep baiting the hook.
 

ncstate7991

Member
How about one FP per guest at a DVC resort per nights stay. Instead of a "golden ticket" you just get a FP for one ride. That way it would not bombard the system. I would feel good about that. It would also spread the use out of the mountains at MK, Soarin/TT at Epcot, and well it might be a little too much for TSMM. That ride is just ridiculous from a FP/wait standpoint.
 

ncstate7991

Member
You have an allotment of points that you have to use, sell or loose. How would a golden fast pass or reduced price tickets get you do go more? Are you actuality saying that you would be willing to plunk down another $15k for more points because of a couple of hundred bucks in ticket discounts? Disney already has you in the boat. They don't need to keep baiting the hook.

Disney has us in the boat, and that is part of the problem ... haha. We can sell our points, but Disney received their money from those points already. Disney doesn't really care if you resell them. I guess the only benefit to Disney would be if it kept the point values high enough to not have to use their Right of Refusal.
 

dizzney

Member
Quick Question ... how many annual passes can you get at a discount if one persons name is listed on the deed of DVC. For example, the deed is listed in fathers name. Can the mother and 2 children also receive the discount? We are looking into DVC and seriously considering buying in at BLT and I want to make sure I do everything right the first time.

You can purchase an annual pass for your household, spouse, children as long as they live at the same address,
 

DVCOwner

A Long Time DVC Member
Quote: A big part of the reasoning behind FL resident passes--and the entire motivation for TIW--is to attract restaurant business. It's an inexpensive means to enable residents to dine at Chefs de France or Yak & Yeti rather than their local Applebees. Residents tend to come in small spurts, often times not going on a single attraction.

I think that this is where we agree somewhat. I know many DVC members that are using points to do things other than visit WDW now because money is tight. Others are going to DVC resorts but not buying tickets to the parks or eating at Disney, just using it as a hotel to visit FL. This does not cost DVC andy money, but it does reduce the total money that flows into the Parks from the DVC members. This is just like FL residents, Disney needs to get them coming back to the Parks. I know if I could get some of the benifits such as FL resident tickets and TIW I would spend much more each trip. Plus this would encouage others to buy into DVC.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
As others have said, whatever perk you may feel you are entitled to, the only thing that matters is: Is this a perk that also benefits Disney? DVC ownerships generally sell quite well without all the benefits many people would like to have (though I can't help but feel they're on the cusp of pricing many potential customers out of the initial buy-in). And if you are an owner, well, they've got your money. So anything YOU want above and beyond what you get has to benefit Disney, otherwise they have no incentive in offering you anything.

Now, if Disney starts seeing evidence, beyond the anecdotal, that DVC owners are frequently spending less time and money in the parks or elsewhere on-property, that's the sort of thing that may make them take notice and consider offering DVC owners more perks.

Just a random thought (though perhaps one I've had before, my memory is slipping in my old age and I don't feel like trying to find an old post or thread): What if there were a restaurant, Table Service or Buffet, that was less expensive than any other eatery on property, onsite at one of the DVC resorts, that any one can go to, but tables could ONLY be reserved by DVC members? Other resort guests can't gripe too much, because a: it is a park of membership, but b: it's not taking space away from anything they would like to do - in other words, we're not commandeering the Liberty Tree Tavern or anything like that...though a DVC-exclusive restaurant IN the parks would be a nice perk, too. Hmmmm...but seriously, I'm thinking of something like a restaurant on the grounds of Saratoga, one designed like a cross between sci-Fi Dine In and the Alamo Drafthouse in Texas, where full features or shorts (Disney, of course) air while you eat. Because DVC is running the restaurant, the goal is not to make money so much as break even, which would make the meal more affordable. But then there are restrictions to DVC members, like you can only dine there once a trip, or once for breakfast and once for dinner. This way, it's not a tremendous drain on the for-profit restaurants, and a few greedy families can't book every night at the expense of other members - everyone gets a fair shake.
 

tjkraz

Active Member
The perk gets me to the parks, resorts, possibly more often, and gets me to spend more $$$ - plenty of ROI in my opinion.

I'm with Master Yoda...I don't see instant FastPasses as being the key to added revenue in the theme parks.

It COULD benefit DVC sales in that it's another membership perk to promote. But the unavoidable downside is that you're alienating every cash-paying guest who now knows that he/she is now a second-class citizen compared to any given DVC member.

How about one FP per guest at a DVC resort per nights stay. Instead of a "golden ticket" you just get a FP for one ride. That way it would not bombard the system. I would feel good about that. It would also spread the use out of the mountains at MK, Soarin/TT at Epcot, and well it might be a little too much for TSMM. That ride is just ridiculous from a FP/wait standpoint.

That's still a lot of tickets. 2500 two bedroom equivalents X 9 guests = 22,500 FPs per day. Even with those guests spread over 4 parks, you're talking more than 5000 FPs per park, per day.

Most attractions have hourly ride capacities in the 1500-2000 range. Can you imagine how it would impact Standby times, FastPass availability and FP return times if you're giving so many people what amount to line-cutting privileges? At MK the passes may be spread out pretty well. But at the other parks people would mostly congregate toward 1 or 2 attractions. You're talking 2-3 hours worth of DVC riders, per attraction, who have displaced all other guests in the queue.

Disney has us in the boat, and that is part of the problem ... haha. We can sell our points, but Disney received their money from those points already. Disney doesn't really care if you resell them. I guess the only benefit to Disney would be if it kept the point values high enough to not have to use their Right of Refusal.

They do care to a degree. The more contracts available on the resale market, the more depressed sale prices will be. ROFR helps DVC exert some price control, but if sellers keep lowering their prices just to get an offer, DVC will be forced to either lower its ROFR threshold or keep buying back.

Ultimately the more buyers turn to resale, the more direct sales DVC stands to lose.
 

micki1950dw

New Member
This is my first time logged onto the web site and I love it. I just had to add a little something about the DVC family. :) I have been a member since 1995 :) and love disney world. Over the years we have received many extras from disney, and for that i thank them. But if I could ask for some disney magic, that would be for a great food plan with a great price for our DVC family?:wave:
 

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