Duplicate Animatronics/Figures in Little Mermaid

Pixiedustmaker

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This thread is about the animatronics and figures in the finale scene of DCA's Little Mermaid Attraction, specifically, that it is apparent that many of the fish, Sebastian, the dancing lobsters, dancing turtles are ALL duplicates of figures used elsewhere in the ride, specifically the "Under the Sea" scene. Imagineers talked about the finale scene being something special, but a lot of it doesn't make sense. Sebastian is conducting . . . nobody with a musical instrument, as this Sebastian is a copy of the Sebastian from the Under the Sea scene I guess you can see why he looks out of place. The fish in the water are the super-interested fish heading to the Under the Sea scene and look . . . weird in the finale as if they are some how super surprised/excited to see Eric and Ariel marry.

Below is part of the finale scene, Eric and Ariel are out of view on the left. It appears that the only original figures for this scene are King Triton (who looks weird anyway with his bushy brown eyebrows not featured in the film), and Eric and Ariel. Everything else is a duplicate and they look out of place.


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Below is the Under the Sea Scene, which has the same Sebastian, the same dancing lobsters, and the same dancing turtles are there too!


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Below is the mini-scene before you hit the "Under the Sea" scene, the green fish below becomes purple for the finale, and the orange fish with black strips is also duplicated for the finale scene. It seems like a small point, but the fish in this scene look super happy and excited, heading to Sebastian's big show, and they look out of place in the finale, almost like they are gawking at Ariel.

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And here's our friend the dancing turtle, who for some reason also decided to dance the exact same jig at Ariel's Wedding,

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I wanted to post some pictures of the cheap-o Ursula cut-out, but I guess that would be outside the scope of this topic.

When MK's LM opens, I wonder how many duplicates of . . . I guess duplicates, will be made?

It is known that the finale scene was likely developed later and "kept under wraps", and it doesn't really work as the dancing turtles and lobsters aren't look at Ariel/Eric and the music is more mellow and they're really tearing a rug, so to speak.

I can't see that anybody could defend this, how expensive is it to make custom figures for each scene? Some of the copied stuff is just plastic fish.

I guess its not surprisng considering how bad the Ursula cut-out and the "Ariel gets her voice back" scenes are. Somebody must have really cut off the funds to finish the attraction and they had to make do.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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I dont know, it looks ok to me...Please do post the pics of Ursula you have I'd like to see.

I didn't want to discuss other shortcomings, to make it a Little Mermaid bashing thread, but I guess we might as well look at some of the scenes that are best described as cheap:

This is the Ariel gets her voice back, I don't think the shadows move much (?), but a flying glowing "orb" lands on Ariel's neck, I guess indicating she got her voice back. Another screen when a figure would have been better. Couldn't they have put fiber optics in an Ariel figure so that we can see it happen?

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The ursula "exploding" or at least struggling in the sea is next to this scene, and is much, much less impressive, which shows you how small and easy to miss it is. I am still looking for a photo.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Another downer thread....

Not really, MK's LM will get a much better queue, and Disney obviously knows that DCA's LM is not the success they hoped for, otherwise they wouldn't have made all of the changes.

There are plenty of rumors that MK's LM will get a better ending scenes, the "Ursula Exploding" cardboard cut-out, Ariel gets her voice, and the Kiss the Girl scene aren't up to standards. The finale . . . is kinda weird and needs to be fixed.

Maybe somebody at Disney will read this and realize that with the internet, fans can dissect and analyze underperforming rides, and that we'll be on the look-out for duplicates and poorly done scenes.
 

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Not really, MK's LM will get a much better queue, and Disney obviously knows that DCA's LM is not the success they hoped for, otherwise they wouldn't have made all of the changes.

There are plenty of rumors that MK's LM will get a better ending scenes, the "Ursula Exploding" cardboard cut-out, Ariel gets her voice, and the Kiss the Girl scene aren't up to standards. The finale . . . is kinda weird and needs to be fixed.

Maybe somebody at Disney will read this and realize that with the internet, fans can dissect and analyze underperforming rides, and that we'll be on the look-out for duplicates and poorly done scenes.

Fair enough ;)
I hope you are correct
 

alissafalco

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I didn't want to discuss other shortcomings, to make it a Little Mermaid bashing thread, but I guess we might as well look at some of the scenes that are best described as cheap:

This is the Ariel gets her voice back, I don't think the shadows move much (?), but a flying glowing "orb" lands on Ariel's neck, I guess indicating she got her voice back. Another screen when a figure would have been better. Couldn't they have put fiber optics in an Ariel figure so that we can see it happen?

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The ursula "exploding" or at least struggling in the sea is next to this scene, and is much, much less impressive, which shows you how small and easy to miss it is. I am still looking for a photo.

Yes I agree with this, its nothing spectacular...
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Ok, finally got a pic of the infamous cut-out Ursula, as I remember it wiggles a little bit.

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Screens and cut-outs for an entire scene, I bet I could build the same thing in my garage.
 

GoofGoof

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Not really, MK's LM will get a much better queue, and Disney obviously knows that DCA's LM is not the success they hoped for, otherwise they wouldn't have made all of the changes.

There are plenty of rumors that MK's LM will get a better ending scenes, the "Ursula Exploding" cardboard cut-out, Ariel gets her voice, and the Kiss the Girl scene aren't up to standards. The finale . . . is kinda weird and needs to be fixed.

Maybe somebody at Disney will read this and realize that with the internet, fans can dissect and analyze underperforming rides, and that we'll be on the look-out for duplicates and poorly done scenes.

I hope you are correct. I wonder if some people will acknowledge that WDW has something that is better than DL or if they will just find other things to complain about.
 

sponono88

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I think you should also post the original sources of those photos. If you're going to hotlink their images the least you could do is give them credit for using them in your post.
 

unkadug

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Did you say that Sebastian is directing music to no creatures in the finale?
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Sure looks like a horn to me.

Also, how many different dances can a turtle do with a shell on their back? Same with lobsters. They all have limited dexterity due to Mother Nature.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Did you say that Sebastian is directing music to no creatures in the finale?
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Sure looks like a horn to he.

Also, how many different dances can a turtle do with a shell on their back? Same with lobsters. They all have limited dexterity due to Mother Nature.


Isn't the purpose of a director to keep everybody (plural) playing in tune? Especially for big orchestral arrangements, why would you need one for just a horn blowing guy? Last time I checked the jazz band in Disneyland didn't need a director.

They went extremely cheap with this scene. I'm sure animators/imagineers could have come up with different ways to make turtles, lobsters dance . . . this scene was made with re-used animatronics to save $, nothing else, IMHO.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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I think you should also post the original sources of those photos. If you're going to hotlink their images the least you could do is give them credit for using them in your post.

Sorry about that, I usually don't post pictures in my post, so I'm not used to doing it. Not even sure what "hot-linking" photos is . . .
 

ToTBellHop

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Sorry about that, I usually don't post pictures in my post, so I'm not used to doing it. Not even sure what "hot-linking" photos is . . .
Almost no one else posts sources...don't worry about it. If people want to see the source, all they need to do is hit reply and it appears in the quotation of your post.

And I agree--the finale is cheap. The rest of the ride is fine, but what a let-down of a finale. Of course, most of the Fantasyland rides have a let-down of a finale...
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Isn't the purpose of a director to keep everybody (plural) playing in tune? Especially for big orchestral arrangements, why would you need one for just a horn blowing guy? Last time I checked the jazz band in Disneyland didn't need a director.

They went extremely cheap with this scene. I'm sure animators/imagineers could have come up with different ways to make turtles, lobsters dance . . . this scene was made with re-used animatronics to save $, nothing else, IMHO.
OK...I'll go back and get more screen grabs...there are other instruments.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Uh-oh, I also watched the ending again,

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Source: YouTube

The sea animals don't say "good-bye" or "congratulations on your wedding" to Ariel (outside of Flounder, and Sebastain being on the boat), though there are a lot of mer-folks.

Looks like they went cheap and duplicated some of the under the sea animals instead of putting in a convincing battle with Ariel or something cool . . . like Eric's boat (or I guess this is a special wedding boat) which is prominently featured in the ending.

Why not boat? Oh yeah—it would cost more than using the molds to make more fish.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
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Lower right hand corner...two blow fish with horns.

Also, the lobsters are using their claws as castanets. How many musicians do you require for a conductor. The Imagineers used some artistic license with the conductor...I'm pretty sure this is suppose to be a representation of the congregation and not a literal portrayal of all those present
 

Pixiedustmaker

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LittleMermaidInstruments.jpg

Lower right hand corner...two blow fish with horns.

Also, the lobsters are using their claws as castanets. How many musicians do you require for a conductor. The Imagineers used come artistic license with the conductor...I'm pretty sure this is suppose to be a representation of the congregation and not a literal portrayal of all those present

Actually, the "musicians" are exact duplicates/clones of figures from the Under the Sea scene.

The same guy with the trumpet . . .

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Here's the blow-fish again . . .

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The "Under the Sea" and Ursula in her lair scenes try to be faithful to the film, the finale scenes is a complete fabrication as far as the film is concerned and is a simply way to re-use figures by duplicating them. Sorta explains how blow-fish can stand up on their tail with their whole body above water as they weren't originally designed for this scene.

Source: Disney and More
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2011/05/new-little-mermaid-video-shows-lot-of.html
http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com
 

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