The Visionary Soul
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Disney and AMC have had a lot of disagreements in the past, many had to do with the Celebration Theaters. It doesn't surprise me at all.
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DTD Third Parties Upset Over Parking
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luv
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I hadn't really thought about it, but I did go to Epcot instead of DTD to buy Disney stuff for relatives I visited on Thanksgiving. Maybe other people are avoiding it because of parking issues, too. That would cut into profits.
It's too bad for them. Hope it all works out quickly.
It's too bad for them. Hope it all works out quickly.
tissandtully
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Not to mention AMC also operates the mega theater at CityWalk as well.
Mouse Detective
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True. But I guess the nearest competition are theaters in Celebration, Pointe Orlando, Festival Bay along with that one at CityWalk. There are other theaters.
One in Celebration closed. Rumor is AMC bought it and closed it to stifle competition--tho honestly, driving through Stepford lately, it's easy to believe it was simply lack of business.
Pointe is still somewhat competition, tho parking fees and I-Drive traffic keep people away, even if both are easily avoided. CityWalk is probably #1 competitor (even if the same company), but I'd guess The Loop is #2.
Again, I think the larger issues are for the bar-restaurants. Far more of those around with easier parking.
Except there wasn't around the theater/West Side 48 weeks out of the year. And the amount of time this solution is scheduled to take is glacier-slow by industry standards. And could have been handled better (did both lots really have to close?).
Sorry to undercut your sarcasm with facts ...
The Visionary Soul
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AMC was forced to run the Celebration Theaters in order to expand the theaters at Downtown Disney. When Disney asked them to upgrade the DTD theaters and add in Fork & Screen, AMC was able to re-negotiate the deal and close the Celebration Theaters. (AMC was never happy with the attendance in Celebration)
TP2000
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In a previous career I was involved with the Board of Regents of a giant West Coast Pac 10 (before the Pac 12) state university. The President of this particular university, with 35,000+ undergrads on the sprawling city of a campus, told me once over lunch that there were only three things he had to make sure he got right or else he was toast;
1. Parking!
2. Football!
3. Alumni schmoozing!
Everything else involved in keeping this giant campus rolling would take care of itself. Academics was down on the list, far below the top rated issue of PARKING.
It would seem that Downtown Disney would fall under the same general rules as running a huge state university. So shame on TDO for letting their clients, the businesses renting out space at high prices in the Downtown Disney mall, bear the brunt of financial problems resulting from a bad parking strategy. Get 'em in, and get 'em out. That's all there is to it. And do whatever you have to do to make parking as easy as possible.
ATTENTION MEG CROFTON & GEORGE KALOGRIDIS: This isn't rocket science! Park 'em on the grass if you have to. The grass will grow back, but the customers might not.
1. Parking!
2. Football!
3. Alumni schmoozing!
Everything else involved in keeping this giant campus rolling would take care of itself. Academics was down on the list, far below the top rated issue of PARKING.
It would seem that Downtown Disney would fall under the same general rules as running a huge state university. So shame on TDO for letting their clients, the businesses renting out space at high prices in the Downtown Disney mall, bear the brunt of financial problems resulting from a bad parking strategy. Get 'em in, and get 'em out. That's all there is to it. And do whatever you have to do to make parking as easy as possible.
ATTENTION MEG CROFTON & GEORGE KALOGRIDIS: This isn't rocket science! Park 'em on the grass if you have to. The grass will grow back, but the customers might not.
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sweetpee_1993
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Yes, we skipped DtD twice last week because of the known parking cluster they have going. We were on our way to/from Ft. Lauderdale for a non-Disney cruise. Boarded our dog in Kissimmee so we had to stop to drop her off. Hubby was craving a bit of Disney and we were all starving. Everyone in the car was screaming for Wolfgang Puck Express. I reminded them of the parking mess. Aaaaaand we drove right on by. So, yes, here's 2 examples of lost income for DtD due to the parking issues.
WDWDad13
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when Disney Springs is done... I expect there to be even MORE people there regardless of the construction mess/pains. I could see Disney giving tenants a rent discount during some of the construction...but I doubt they will
While I agree Starbucks is popular, and the LBV area is underserved by them, I'm not sure the appeal of two new outlets will offset the reputation gained from two years of parking being a cluster.
jlsHouston
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ahhhh..never really went to DtD except the first visit in 2011 to visit the lego store and that kind of swore me off of the shopping scene there...however memories fade even the distasteful ones and this past trip I ventured with the grands alone and on a Friday night to DtD, in the rental car....and boy was that a disaster...Could not find an open parking spot even in the south forty of the lot and when I found the line for valet had a 10 minute wait to get parked...ate at Wolgangs, then played at Disneyquest then walked to the marketplace to pick up a pair of Belle's gloves...tried to get a cab at 11pm to drive us back from the marketplace to valet because I knew DGS7 was fixing to have a meltdown walking and couldn't get one of the cabbies in line to do it..the creeps told me to walk...so walk I did and as they got paying fares they all got to crawl behind me as I decided to walk in the middle of the road and wouldn't let them pass as we made our way on foot back to valet, DGS7 crying all the way....
I probably shouldn't admit on this board how hateful and vengeful I can get when annoyed....
The moral being, on our second trip to DtD to see Frozen Thanksgiving afternoon we rode the Disney bus and no issues .....I would never drive to DtD again with the kids....
I probably shouldn't admit on this board how hateful and vengeful I can get when annoyed....
The moral being, on our second trip to DtD to see Frozen Thanksgiving afternoon we rode the Disney bus and no issues .....I would never drive to DtD again with the kids....
Animaniac93-98
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I heard the rent was too high to pay with only two screens running movies.
Disneyhead'71
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I am absolutely positive that the AMC's business has plummeted. It was mostly locals who went there. My DD17 and her friends would go to DTD about 3X/month for movies and Ghirardelli Mochas and that stopped over a month ago. They now go to CityWalk. Plus they really like the new wood fired pizza place, Red Oven Pizza Bakery.
tissandtully
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Well, Celebration only had two screens.
JillC LI
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Because contracts define both parties' right and obligations inthe event of a future dispute. That's the whole purpose of the contract (in this case, lease). If it's important to you, get it in writing. Otherwise, you lose. What Disney may or may not want to do in the interests of good PR or business relations is an entirely separate story.
Except that just because something isn't in writing doesn't mean it isn't legally part of a "contract." Not looking to teach a 1L class here, but the idea of magical, unbreakable contracts like Rumplestiltskin makes on Once Upon A Time just doesn't exist in the real world. And PR and good business relations are far more important to any corporation than a contract.
TRONorail10
Active Member
AMC will never leave Downtown Disney, they are just trying to get subsidies from Disney during construction. I'm not surprised about hearing Paradiso 37 complain. The people who run that place are selfish and arrogant pricks who treat customers and their employees like garbage. I live in Orlando and will never set foot into that place for the rest of my life after how my party was treated last time we were there.
Not if the oral contract comes AFTER the written contract.But they DO have a written contract which supersedes any oral contract.