Soooo....what gives? I thought we were all hyped about this return and nothing......Weren't they suppose to mention about this for october?
Anything on that Statue event in september?
Anything on that Statue event in september?
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Dreamfinder Where Art Thou?
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Main Street USA
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I think those that think that adding Dreamfinder to the current JIYI will save it are in for a rude awakening. The original was the only respectable version of this attraction to date, and unless they're talking a complete overhaul, lengthening the ride back to about 12 minutes (not happening), and changing the theme again, any rehab will be a let down.
They screwed it up the first time they changed it, then they changed it again, and it's still screwed up. You stop in at least 2 scenes where NOTHING happens, and you're on your way.
Something IMAGINATIVE needs to happen next at this pavillion, and if it involves Dreamfinder and THE ORIGINAL SWEET Figment (not the annoying new Woody Woodpecker cousin), that's great. But unless they're talking about a budget that will compare with the budget of the original attraction (sort of a sequel to the first ride) it will be VERY hard to produce a product worthy of the WDW Badge. I'm not meaning to sound so negative, but this pavillion is the only one in Epcot that has really been left in shambles.
I hated it when WOM closed, but a quality, unique attraction replaced it. We must move on.
I hated it when Horizons closed, but, again, a unique, quality attraction replaced it.
I hated it when the original JII closed, and it was just rehabbed and CHOPPED down to a fraction of what it once was. They spent millions to do nothing but cut the original in half, hang up black curtains to hide the walls, and create a new annoying Figment.
Ugh, it's the only thing that TRULY sickens me in all of WDW.
They screwed it up the first time they changed it, then they changed it again, and it's still screwed up. You stop in at least 2 scenes where NOTHING happens, and you're on your way.
Something IMAGINATIVE needs to happen next at this pavillion, and if it involves Dreamfinder and THE ORIGINAL SWEET Figment (not the annoying new Woody Woodpecker cousin), that's great. But unless they're talking about a budget that will compare with the budget of the original attraction (sort of a sequel to the first ride) it will be VERY hard to produce a product worthy of the WDW Badge. I'm not meaning to sound so negative, but this pavillion is the only one in Epcot that has really been left in shambles.
I hated it when WOM closed, but a quality, unique attraction replaced it. We must move on.
I hated it when Horizons closed, but, again, a unique, quality attraction replaced it.
I hated it when the original JII closed, and it was just rehabbed and CHOPPED down to a fraction of what it once was. They spent millions to do nothing but cut the original in half, hang up black curtains to hide the walls, and create a new annoying Figment.
Ugh, it's the only thing that TRULY sickens me in all of WDW.
MiceysBestPal
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Main Street USA
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Yeah, but unfortunately, that doesn't mean much. I may be able to build something more entertaining in my back yard out of scrap 2x4s.
CThaddeus
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I would heartily agree with Main Street on just about everything except perhaps these three statements:
I believe the fate Disney has bestowed on Wonders of Life also qualifies it for shambles status, and while I do find the new JII cheesy and funhouse-ish, I'm still more sickened by the idea that WOL just sits there unused when some of us would love to visit it again.
Also, I disagree that WOM's replacement was a quality attraction. I've always thought Test Track was extemely lame, an uninteresting dark ride based solely on the present without a real eye to the future. In addition, if it weren't for the part where it goes really fast at the end, I think very few would want to ride it again...it's a thrill ride in a Park that wasn't supposed to be about cheap thrills. It never felt like a Disney-quality attraction to me.
But, this thread was supposed to be about Dreamfinder. I hope they find him soon. The Park desperately needs him.
I believe the fate Disney has bestowed on Wonders of Life also qualifies it for shambles status, and while I do find the new JII cheesy and funhouse-ish, I'm still more sickened by the idea that WOL just sits there unused when some of us would love to visit it again.
Also, I disagree that WOM's replacement was a quality attraction. I've always thought Test Track was extemely lame, an uninteresting dark ride based solely on the present without a real eye to the future. In addition, if it weren't for the part where it goes really fast at the end, I think very few would want to ride it again...it's a thrill ride in a Park that wasn't supposed to be about cheap thrills. It never felt like a Disney-quality attraction to me.
But, this thread was supposed to be about Dreamfinder. I hope they find him soon. The Park desperately needs him.
Main Street USA
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You have no base for an argument against Test Track. The fast part at the end is part of the ride, so there is no "if it weren't for the fast part." It's part of the attraction, period. Test Track is also extremely unique. Not to mention the fact that it's STILL one of the most visited attractions in Epcot, all of these years later. It's FAR from a thrill ride. So, if you think it's not a "quality attraction" you're severely in the minority.
As for Wonders of Life, you're right, it's ridiculous that it's closed. Unfortunately, it didn't have an up to date e-ticket type attraction inside to keep it up and running. The smaller shows and attractions were becoming severely outdated, and Body Wars (while considered awesome when it opened) was hardly seeing any body come through at all.
The difference, and what makes JII the much larger tragedy here, is the fact that it was, at one point, a MAJOR draw, and a MAJOR thing to experience at Epcot. WOL never really had that status with the public. Again, though, I agree. It's doors should be opened unless something else is being done to the area.
As for Wonders of Life, you're right, it's ridiculous that it's closed. Unfortunately, it didn't have an up to date e-ticket type attraction inside to keep it up and running. The smaller shows and attractions were becoming severely outdated, and Body Wars (while considered awesome when it opened) was hardly seeing any body come through at all.
The difference, and what makes JII the much larger tragedy here, is the fact that it was, at one point, a MAJOR draw, and a MAJOR thing to experience at Epcot. WOL never really had that status with the public. Again, though, I agree. It's doors should be opened unless something else is being done to the area.
dxwwf3
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I couldn't agree more. I would LOVE to see Dreamfinder and the original Figment come back to the pavilion, but it isn't the only way that something good could come there. It doesn't have to go back to the original format to be good, but they also could definitely use some things from the original (and by far the best) version of the ride and make it even better.
Main Street USA
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Please, don't include me in that blanket statement. My only beef is that they've thrown up a peice of crap to replace a quality attraction. I'll take ANYTHING worthy of the word Imagination, or even something totally new. Whatever. Something worth calling a DISNEY attraction.Seriously...you folks need to just let the whole Dreamfinder and major refurb at Imagination thing go....It will only lead to
CThaddeus
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I base my argument about Test Track on a few different factors:
First, my own reaction to the attraction. Second, other people's reactions to the attraction. Granted, these are subjective reasons, but they do bear out my statement. I think the best example of this was my visit to Epcot earlier this year with some friends. They have two children, ages 6 and 9, who kept asking during the course of the attraction if it was almost over. They weren't enjoying it...and these were children who had just finished ENJOYING the much maligned 45-minute Universe of Energy. Then, we hit the speed test at the end. Suddenly they were all excited and wanted to do the ride again. So, maybe it's just a bad hypothesis on my part, but I've got to say I think this might apply to more people than you think. Personally, as I've said, the attraction does nothing for me, except making me long for World of Motion.
One other interesting thing to note: when Disney advertises this attraction, which part do they emphasize? When people give "testimonials" about it, what do they talk about? The speed test. Nothing else. It's a cheap thrill, which apparently does the trick, as people continue to go on it, as you said. But were that one part not there, I don't think it would get a fraction of the repeat business it does. And you're right, it is there, so it's part of the ride, but be honest, isn't that the only part you ride it for? Personally, if there's only one part about a ride I like, I probably won't be doing it again...unless that one part is so amazingly overwhelming I can overlook all the other flaws. But speed? I can do that and more in my car at home (I can do the brake tests and going over bumps and freezing myself and making myself insanely hot, too!). I do, however, give it the benefit of the doubt and ride it once whenever I go, just to see if maybe I've misjudged it. Unfortunately, I have yet to see what the appeal is, but that's just me and my opinion. Since Epcot doesn't really have anything else that goes fast, Test Track will continue to do well.
Finally, cost does not equate to quality. They spent a boatload of time and money on that thing, yet like I said, it's still just a dark ride with a cheap thrill of speed at the end. All of the cardboard-looking cut-outs of trees, the frequent 101s, the huge areas of darkness, basing something off 1996-current automotive practices - these don't scream quality at me. Sorry, I just don't get it. And yes, once again I know I'm in a minority on this issue. That's fine. No argument there.
I also still disagree about the whole travesty issue, because a dead pavilion is still worse than a pavilion that is operating, even if - like Test Track - it is pretty lame. It's also a travesty that they simply abandoned Wonders of Life without so much as an update. Journey got two of them, and though they sucked, it DID get some attention. Wonders of Life never did, which I believe led to its unnecessary death.
Has Dreamfinder shown up yet?
wannab@dis
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You could have saved your self a LOT of typing. :lol:
Now that would be a travesty. :zipit:
Main Street USA
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If you consider TT a dark ride with a cheap thrill at the end, and the dark ride point to be useless, then what were WOM and Horizons? Just pointless dark rides without the thrill?
You asked for my honest opinion, and here it is:
I like every part of Test Track. From the queue, to the indoor testing grounds, to the speed test, to the ride photo, and then even the showroom and gift shop at the end.
Do I miss World of Motion? More than anyone can imagine. But I also know that it isn't coming back, which means I can enjoy the memory of it, and also allow myself to enjoy Test Track, regardless of what it may have replaced.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I know some don't like Test Track. Some do. That's pretty much true of every attraction in WDW, though, so. To each his own.
monorail_driver
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Dreamfinder is in the Disney Vault
hopefully he gets out when they re-open the vault again...
hopefully he gets out when they re-open the vault again...
JimboJones123
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I like the idea of Nightmarefinder. A creepy old guy w/ a beard that terrorizes little kids.