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Dozens Displaced by Hotel Fire Given Shelter at Walt Disney World

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SorcererMC

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Just putting this out there (walks on eggshells)....most people who follow a Judeo-Christian ethic live by a moral code which takes into account intention, circumstance, and outcome when it comes to determining whether an action is 'good' or not. (ETA: and for Buddhism it would be akin to 'right thought, right word, right action'.)
(That may be one reason why Disney taking this action isn't a 'face value' question.....circumstance and outcome are known, while the intent is not.)

On that note, Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah!

[Unless you practice Festivus - on to the feats of strength!]
 
Kman101

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I often agree with a lot of the cynicism, I don't deny that (but I do try and see both sides), but in this case it just doesn't seem warranted and it looks petty to me. I'm a little surprised because I really do enjoy and agree with a lot of them in other topics. I don't get why this topic had to be about that? I've said my peace and I'm sure some will be glad when I shut up about it. LOL
 
Kman101

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wdisney9000 said:
It would only be construed as anger to a person (not saying you), who cant, wont or does not care about viewing Disneys intentions as anything but purely humanitarian.

Look no further than the attitude of those who say "lock this thread"! Why would they want it locked when they could simply just not click on the thread? Because it makes them feel like they have control of the issue and if it gets locked they take it as a victory. There are no winners and losers. its a discussion, but since someone has a different opinion than them and they would rather see the whole discussion get locked instead of allowing anybody to else to continue. It bothers them soooooo deeply that they resort the child like behavior of " Im taking my football home and now nobody can play!!!!".
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It clearly bothers you sooooooo deeply as you keep going on about it. I don't really get you at this point and frankly I agree with you quite often. What do you want to hear? What do you want said? You keep wanting to say they have other intentions. SO WHAT? Who really cares? They did a good deed. Why can't you just admit it and move on? You're the one keeping this going. Aren't there other things to get on the company for?
 
wdisney9000

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Kman101 said:
It clearly bothers you sooooooo deeply as you keep going on about it. I don't really get you at this point and frankly I agree with you quite often. What do you want to hear? What do you want said? You keep wanting to say they have other intentions. SO WHAT? Who really cares? They did a good deed. Why can't you just admit it and move on? You're the one keeping this going. Aren't there other things to get on the company for?
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I completely agree. They did a good deed. It was an extremely kind gesture. It was a wonderful gift for the families. I honestly believe that. Ive agreed with you on many issues as well and have always enjoyed your posts. Im not upset with you or anybody else for your feeling on this issue. If i believe the kind gesture was done for more than simply being kind, it shouldnt bother anybody. I have not told one person "you are wrong". Ive only added something (my personal belief) to what they believe.

I look at (kinda) like this........

Lets say Becky owns a company that spends big money on a certain product. Lets pretend I have a company that makes the same type of product that Becky buys, but she hasnt bought anything from me and I want her business. Lets pretend Becky's house burns down and I offer her shelter, food and take her out to have a good time because I know she will now buy her products from me and also, anybody who hears about my good gesture will think Im a great guy and wanna buy my product as well and support my company because Im such a good humanitarian. Did I perform a good deed? Sure. Were my motives pure. Nope. So now I seek out other tragedies or people in need so I can make myself look like a hero because I know it will improve my image and I can also write it off. Am I good person? Am I classy? Or just greedy. The beauty of it is that If anybody questioned my motives, I would most likely be defended by the legions of people who think Im amazing. Its genius. Most corporations know this. I do not blame them one bit for doing it either.
 
Kman101

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wdisney9000 said:
I completely agree. They did a good deed. It was an extremely kind gesture. It was a wonderful gift for the families. I honestly believe that. Ive agreed with you on many issues as well and have always enjoyed your posts. Im not upset with you or anybody else for your feeling on this issue. If i believe the kind gesture was done for more than simply being kind, it shouldnt bother anybody. I have not told one person "you are wrong". Ive only added something (my personal belief) to what they believe.

I look at (kinda) like this........

Lets say Becky owns a company that spends big money on a certain product. Lets pretend I have a company that makes the same type of product that Becky buys, but she hasnt bought anything from me and I want her business. Lets pretend Becky's house burns down and I offer her shelter, food and take her out to have a good time because I know she will now buy her products from me and also, anybody who hears about my good gesture will think Im a great guy and wanna buy my product as well and support my company because Im such a good humanitarian. Did I perform a good deed? Sure. Were my motives pure. Nope. So now I seek out other tragedies or people in need so I can make myself look like a hero because I know it will improve my image and I can also write it off. Am I good person? Am I classy? Or just greedy. The beauty of it is that If anybody questioned my motives, I would most likely be defended by the legions of people who think Im amazing. Its genius. Most corporations know this. I do not blame them one bit for doing it either.
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I appreciate that explanation. I actually felt really horrible constantly quoting you and jumping on you, TBH. I just wasn't quite getting why, of all things, this was something that had to be slanted so negatively.

Of course they'd have something to gain from it by doing it. They get publicity. They get more goodwill. I doubt they said "shhh, let's keep this quiet". Of course they have their own motives. I think most of us know that. Oh well. It sort of got out of hand I guess on both ends. Sorry about that.
 
wdisney9000

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Kman101 said:
I appreciate that explanation. I actually felt really horrible constantly quoting you and jumping on you, TBH. I just wasn't quite getting why, of all things, this was something that had to be slanted so negatively.

Of course they'd have something to gain from it by doing it. They get publicity. They get more goodwill. I doubt they said "shhh, let's keep this quiet". Of course they have their own motives. I think most of us know that. Oh well. It sort of got out of hand I guess on both ends. Sorry about that.
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Nothing to apologize for. I respect your opinion and persistence.:) Now,....its Miller Time! (well, more like ...craft beer time!!!)
 
GoofGoof

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wdisney9000 said:
It would only be construed as anger to a person (not saying you), who cant, wont or does not care about viewing Disneys intentions as anything but purely humanitarian.

Look no further than the attitude of those who say "lock this thread"! Why would they want it locked when they could simply just not click on the thread? Because it makes them feel like they have control of the issue and if it gets locked they take it as a victory. There are no winners and losers. its a discussion, but since someone has a different opinion than them and they would rather see the whole discussion get locked instead of allowing anybody to else to continue. It bothers them soooooo deeply that they resort the child like behavior of " Im taking my football home and now nobody can play!!!!".
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I don't view Disney's intentions in anything it does to be purely humanitarian. A corporation always has to weigh its options and choose what it spends its money on. They have a limited percentage of their cash flow generated that they can give to charity so it's always pick and choose. I get that but at the same time I also think they did real good this time so I'm willing to praise them for the action. I think we are on the same page with that.
wdisney9000 said:
Lets say Becky owns a company that spends big money on a certain product. Lets pretend I have a company that makes the same type of product that Becky buys, but she hasnt bought anything from me and I want her business. Lets pretend Becky's house burns down and I offer her shelter, food and take her out to have a good time because I know she will now buy her products from me and also, anybody who hears about my good gesture will think Im a great guy and wanna buy my product as well and support my company because Im such a good humanitarian. Did I perform a good deed? Sure. Were my motives pure. Nope. So now I seek out other tragedies or people in need so I can make myself look like a hero because I know it will improve my image and I can also write it off. Am I good person? Am I classy? Or just greedy. The beauty of it is that If anybody questioned my motives, I would most likely be defended by the legions of people who think Im amazing. Its genius. Most corporations know this. I do not blame them one bit for doing it either.
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I'm not sure in this case the actions taken were purely about selling more products. I think Disney did this mostly because it deeply impacted the community where it is located. Its more about being a good neighbor and corporate citizen and also as a good will gesture to their workers who live in and make up the community. There could have even been CMs living at that hotel.
 
mergatroid

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wdisney9000 said:
Lets say Becky owns a company that spends big money on a certain product. Lets pretend I have a company that makes the same type of product that Becky buys, but she hasnt bought anything from me and I want her business. Lets pretend Becky's house burns down and I offer her shelter, food and take her out to have a good time because I know she will now buy her products from me and also, anybody who hears about my good gesture will think Im a great guy and wanna buy my product as well and support my company because Im such a good humanitarian. Did I perform a good deed? Sure. Were my motives pure. Nope. So now I seek out other tragedies or people in need so I can make myself look like a hero because I know it will improve my image and I can also write it off. Am I good person? Am I classy? Or just greedy. The beauty of it is that If anybody questioned my motives, I would most likely be defended by the legions of people who think Im amazing. Its genius. Most corporations know this. I do not blame them one bit for doing it either.
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Is Becky an attractive lady?
 
flynnibus

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I often wonder what most of you do in real life.. because the disconnect about how business runs is so severe it blows my mind.

You guys are really over thinking how businesses do community relations. There is no time to summon the demons from the seven levels of hell to have a board meeting over how the organization should respond to a request for help to ensure the maximum return... especially when it comes to disaster type scenarios.

A company the size of Disney probably has hundreds of millions each year in donations from matching funds, volunteer hours, etc. Disney probably gives away this many make a wish trips in a week or two. This is not some huge effort in the scope of TWDC. Nor have we seen anything from Disney boasting about it.
 
flynnibus

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wdisney9000 said:
Lets say Becky owns a company that spends big money on a certain product. Lets pretend I have a company that makes the same type of product that Becky buys, but she hasnt bought anything from me and I want her business. Lets pretend Becky's house burns down and I offer her shelter, food and take her out to have a good time because I know she will now buy her products from me and also, anybody who hears about my good gesture will think Im a great guy and wanna buy my product as well and support my company because Im such a good humanitarian. Did I perform a good deed? Sure. Were my motives pure. Nope. So now I seek out other tragedies or people in need so I can make myself look like a hero because I know it will improve my image and I can also write it off. Am I good person? Am I classy? Or just greedy. The beauty of it is that If anybody questioned my motives, I would most likely be defended by the legions of people who think Im amazing. Its genius. Most corporations know this. I do not blame them one bit for doing it either.
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But it is not the only possible motive. Many times such charitable actions are fueled by personal interests of executives (Examples are things like Cancer fundraisers, etc). My company is a major sponsor of events like http://www.planepull.com/ for example. These things are often simply individuals looking to leverage the power and resources of a much more well off entity (their employer) to fuel good causes. Things the business will do because despise some of the individual actions that are often made, big business aren't purely evil corps as some people promote here. They have elements that know that giving back, corporate relations, and community engagement are also significant elements of being successful organizations... not simply by measuring what their gain from such actions will be.

Businesses are made up of people.. and this is not 'whats in it for me' as the sole reason behind all moves.
 
unkadug

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As someone who has lost everything they own in a house fire in the past, let me say that questioning Disney's motives is the farthest thing from the minds of those affected.

I can certainly empathize with those affected as I had a house fire that burned up everything including belongings that can NEVER be replaced. If Disney had of offered me a similar perk, I would've never looked the gift horse in the mouth.
 
Goofyernmost

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Bob said:
Only if that is the new term for bath salts.

I mostly hang out on the dark side of the moon.
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I tried but there was so much competition from the folks on the boards that I couldn't find a place to stay. Glad you could get shelter there without having to resort to a manger.
 
21stamps

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unkadug said:
As someone who has lost everything they own in a house fire in the past, let me say that questioning Disney's motives is the farthest thing from the minds of those affected.

I can certainly empathize with those affected as I had a house fire that burned up everything including belongings that can NEVER be replaced. If Disney had of offered me a similar perk, I would've never looked the gift horse in the mouth.
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Wow. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
 
monothingie

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Bob said:
Only if that is the new term for bath salts.

I mostly hang out on the dark side of the moon.
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Thanks @Bob Michael Bay ruined any mention of Dark of the moon. I feel ill now. Or is it triggered? I don't know anymore, get me to a safe space.
 
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flynnibus said:
I often wonder what most of you do in real life.. because the disconnect about how business runs is so severe it blows my mind.

You guys are really over thinking how businesses do community relations. There is no time to summon the demons from the seven levels of hell to have a board meeting over how the organization should respond to a request for help to ensure the maximum return... especially when it comes to disaster type scenarios.

A company the size of Disney probably has hundreds of millions each year in donations from matching funds, volunteer hours, etc. Disney probably gives away this many make a wish trips in a week or two. This is not some huge effort in the scope of TWDC. Nor have we seen anything from Disney boasting about it.
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You are exactly right and it somewhat goes along with the point I have been trying to make. I do not believe Disney is an evil corporation (like Monsanto). There is no lengthy process or board room meeting with a sacrificial lamb being slaughtered to appease the Wall Street demons. Disney has a great relationship with Fla. gvt. A tragedy such as this occurs, Disney gets the call to assist, and they agree. They have no need to boast about it as they know the state will mention it to the press. ITs charity 101 for a company like Disney. They can do this with their eyes closed.
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Businesses are made up of people.. and this is not 'whats in it for me' as the sole reason behind all moves.
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I never said it was the sole reason. Only that the positive press was/is a large factor in these decisions. People keep posting as if I (or others) hate Disney and just want to criticize them. Nothing could be further from the truth. I could care less if they get all the free press or even a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I was only making a counter point. I apologize to all who I offended by offering the idea that genuine charity was not the sole reason.
 
Hakunamatata

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monothingie said:
No amount of spiral ham and egg nog can cure this thread.
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This certainly couldnt hurt though.

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rael ramone

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Thoughts:

Definitely mixed.

A genuine immediate need was filled for these families. It is great that it was provided to them. Basically, it was triage.

But after triage, then you investigate the causes of the 'illness'. And many of these families are suffering due to a local economy that overwhelmingly doesn't pay a living wage - which falls right at the doorstep of TDO - who sets the pay for the entire service economy region.
And it's not uncommon to see a disconnect in the corporate world between genuine philanthropy and at the same time not giving sufficient compensation to it's labor force - oftentimes having to be 'made whole' through government assistance.

Maybe in some areas 'service jobs' are 'live at home with mom & dad jobs'. Well, I don't think 90,000+ workers in that area can simply 'live at home with mom and dad'. (And also the other employers that follow TDO's lead on compensation adds to it).
 
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