Down-side to the FTP?

[Gucci65]

When I was in MK this summer, my daughter and I were waiting for the spectro parade and this woman literally tried to sit down on my daughter. Her family was sitting right next to us and had apprarently run out of room. A CM was standing right in front of this when it happened (we were in front of Uptown Jewelers) and he told her that she would have to get off the street since there was no space for her.

Good thing, I can honestly say that I am very over protective of my child and had she been hurt by some ignoramus trying to sit on her OR by an insane woman jerking her out of a chair at the AllStars......................I would be banned for life. Hell hath no fury like Mom ticked off!!!!:lol:

 

[JaynMACP96_97_9]

Originally posted by strobe
A lot of people fight on vacation and I never have understood it. Why? What is there to fight about, you are supposed to be having fun.

Well, for many, there's a great deal of stress involved, especially at a vacation spot like WDW where there's a ton of things to do, and a ton of places to eat. If kids have been browsing online or in Birnbaum's book etc for months drooling over attractions they want to do once they're there, and then time constraints or other issues such as money get in the way, these kids aren't going to take it that well. If the parents don't explain to their kids what they, as a family are capable of doing(ie telling them they can only afford to do 2 parks PRIOR to leaving for WDW)then its not going to be a big deal for the kids if they are used to accepting these things and not dwelling on them.

But money is only a small part to it. How you raise your kids and communicate with them are the more important things. Those are the things i think about when i see a family having it out in a queue or anywhere else around WDW, not how much money they came down with.

 

[barnum42]

The only truly thoughtless visitors I have come across were at the Paris park. I was waiting for the parade to begin and had found a good place to stand - behind a goup a guests in wheelchairs.

As the parade started a group of yobs made their way to the front and stood in front of the wheelchair users. It's the only time I have tweaked in a Disney Park. As I did not speak their language, actions would have to replace words. I leaned across, grabbed the ring leader by the collar, fixed him one hell of a mean look, pointed at the wheelchairs then to the back of the waiting crowd.

The shock on his face was amazing, he muttered something and then his gang sculked off.

Result :sohappy:

 

[couzen87]

I have read a lot of good points in these threads, but as to the point of the original post I don't think there is any correlation between bad behavior and the Fairy Tale Vacation Package. The key issue is whether someone has been raised to have respect for others. Rude and inconsiderate behavior crosses all socioeconomic lines, and jerks are always going to be jerks. Admittedly, though, I wasn't there to see what went on.

If anything, in my own life, I have had more problems with upper-class individuals bullying their way through situations and acting like the world revolves around them.

I will be going in October on the FTP, and I will hope to avoid any ugly situations. If I do I will try my best to teach my kids the best way to handle problems with class and dignity. Exactly the way my father taught me.

 

[Erika]

Originally posted by NemoRocks78


OMG,I was astonished to hear about that. I have had problems with people also,but not like this. She should have in fact pressed charges for assault against a minor! I cant believe she didnt. And the family who broke the shotglasses? Cant believe that. A WDW cast memer or WDW official should have been notified about this horrific happening. It's sad you know,how rude a lot of people can be. I never liked the All Star Resorts anyways!

Hey now :lol: You can find just as many jerks at the other resorts.

What a terrible story

 

[strobe]

Originally posted by couzen87
If anything, in my own life, I have had more problems with upper-class individuals bullying their way through situations and acting like the world revolves around them.

Welcome to WDW Magic!!! And you're right, I see this almost every single day. The BMW that doesn't have to merge right until the lane ends, the SUV that can take 2 parking spots, the people who are too good to wait in line like everyone else..... :hurl:

 

[Erika]

Originally posted by Main Street USA
Yeah, the original email seems a little too exagerated to believe.

Seriously, If any of you with kids saw a random lady "yanking" your kids (or even touching them for that matter) out of their seats, wouldn't you do a little more than just tell this lady off?

I don't currently have kids, but I can imagine if I did my feelings would be even stronger. If I saw a lady lay a finger on my kids there would be big, BIG trouble for her.

From the email though, it sounds as if the sister (21 years old) was there and not the mom. Not that I would let anybody treat my brother that way but she may have just been too intimidated to do very much.

 

[Scooter]

I'm not an advocate of "Saving spots" before a parade or show ie. Illuminations.

I feel that if you want a good spot to watch a parade, you should have to stand or sit while waiting. Stacking packages, blankets, and/or strollers to hold places is just inviting comments and skirmishes from other park guests.

Now having said that, and you chose to hold places, that doesn't give anyone the right to push, shove, step on your belongings or act in any other kind of rude behavior.

I have learned from several trips to WDW that rude and arrogant people will FIND an excuse to be rude and/or arrogant.

I don't have a problem with kids holding a table in a fast food venue. It seems to me that I would rather have the lady in line in front me leave her 4 kids sitting at a table waiting than the whole family standing in line in front of me, whining and fidgeting and fighting over who gets what off the menu.:hammer:

Take the FLorida heat...add humidity and crowded conditions, (Parade lines and crowded restaurants) and you have the recipe and opportunity for someones rude behavior.

I take this opportunity to teach my children now NOT to behave in these situations. If I see someone being rude, I ask my children "Do you think those people are behaving properly?" Then I ask my children if they would ever act like that. I basically turn the other park guests bad behavior into a learning experiance and then praise MY children for their good behavior.

It's true...I DO pay alot of money to be in Walt Disney World...and I'll be darned if I'll let a handfull of ill-mannered people spoil my family's vacation.

 

[The Mom]

I was surprised to discover that MANY people have strong opinions about seat saving at WDW! In the past, I never thought twice about saving a parade space for others in my party; I felt that since I was willing to give up my time to do it, why not?

I never once considered how rude it might appear to others, or how frustrated it might make them to see an apparently empty space, then be told that "someone..unseen" was sitting there. Of course, I've never understood why someone who spots a front row space when the crowd is 3 deep would ever think it was up for grabs!

However, after my share of insults and dirty looks, I've stopped doing it. If the rest of my party (read family) isn't willing to wait with me, so be it. They'll just miss the parade.

I can see both sides of the issue in fast food restaurants. It's a pain to wait in line with the whole group; much easier to delegate duties. BUT, I can understand how frustrating it might be to walk around with a tray full of food, and find all of the seats filled with people "just sitting."

NONE of the above excuses the type of behavior reported, however! I also would have called in a manager and insisted the "attackers" be reprimanded in some way. I suspect there may be a little more to the story than meets the eye to provoke the type of responses noted.

 

[Gucci65]

Originally posted by couzen87
I have read a lot of good points in these threads, but as to the point of the original post I don't think there is any correlation between bad behavior and the Fairy Tale Vacation Package. The key issue is whether someone has been raised to have respect for others. Rude and inconsiderate behavior crosses all socioeconomic lines, and jerks are always going to be jerks. Admittedly, though, I wasn't there to see what went on.

If anything, in my own life, I have had more problems with upper-class individuals bullying their way through situations and acting like the world revolves around them.

I will be going in October on the FTP, and I will hope to avoid any ugly situations. If I do I will try my best to teach my kids the best way to handle problems with class and dignity. Exactly the way my father taught me.

Excellent Reply!:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

 

[Gucci65]

Originally posted by The Mom
I was surprised to discover that MANY people have strong opinions about seat saving at WDW! In the past, I never thought twice about saving a parade space for others in my party; I felt that since I was willing to give up my time to do it, why not?

I never once considered how rude it might appear to others, or how frustrated it might make them to see an apparently empty space, then be told that "someone..unseen" was sitting there. Of course, I've never understood why someone who spots a front row space when the crowd is 3 deep would ever think it was up for grabs!

However, after my share of insults and dirty looks, I've stopped doing it. If the rest of my party (read family) isn't willing to wait with me, so be it. They'll just miss the parade.

I still do it. I'm saving space for one other person and she uses that time to get her shopping/bathroom break/ice cream break done. Meanwhile I am trying to get off my aching feet.

I have also found out via another thread how mad this makes people. I could see if I was holding space for 20+ people, but not one or two.....

As far as the restaurant, I'm with you I could see both sides BUT I would never grab someones else's child and pull them out of a seat (even if I thought they took out from underneath me). That was just unacceptable.

 

[JaynMACP96_97_9]

Originally posted by Erika
Hey now :lol: You can find just as many jerks at the other resorts.

Plus all the cheerleading groups stay at the All Stars, how could you not love them(the All Stars) just for that simple fact!?

Growing up, my parents always had us stay at the Marriott World Center because my dad "thought" he could play golf and liked those links. But when i was old enough to,my friends and girlfriends and i have stayed mostly at the Wilderness Lodge.

But after working at AS Sports' Sport Goofy for 6 months i wouldn't downplay those resorts at all. Expectations tend to sour an experience, but overall those are some great resorts and i wouldn't want to see this story steer folks reading these boards away from staying at the AS Resorts.