Does it bother anyone else that Avatar isn't a Disney movie?

[MansionGoer13z]

This Avatarland section in AK is on a collision course with the Fail Express. I just don't seehow its going to work. And with the movie being two years old and just a movie that had interesting special effects that was just a CGI love fest. I can't even comprehend or think of anything; attraction otherwise that would make it a least bit exciting. The only thing that may come out is another overated Soarin' attraction that is surrounded by a garden of 3D CGI'd effects.

 

[mrg1106]

No and this thread is just silly overall; nobody ever questioned stuff like Twilight Zone, Star Wars, and Rock N Roller Coaster. Oh wait, that's because it worked; let's not jump to silly conclusions Disney "fans."

 

[tinkerbell_S]

No and this thread is just silly overall; nobody ever questioned stuff like Twilight Zone, Star Wars, and Rock N Roller Coaster. Oh wait, that's because it worked; let's not jump to silly conclusions Disney "fans."

Agreed! I think we need to wait and see... not jump to conclusions... you never know - Disney could surprise us all.

 

[tinkerbell_S]

I loved Avatar - I thought it was really good... :king:

 

[Hakunamatata]

I don't get people who think the movie was good. It simply wasn't. It was a horrible movie, and, if it didn't disgust you, then I am at a loss for words.

I'm at a loss for words over your loss for words.

 

[Prince-1]

Doesn't bother me one bit. Hello, it is the NUMBER ONE of all time. I personally didn't like it that much but obviously someone did. All I care about is that we are given a quality area to have fun in.

 

[grunter]

Nothing says awe inspiring like a heavily themed immersive junkyard land......

In my mind, add a little glow paint, and that's what we're getting in an "Avatar" land.

A cheapie 3D movie simulator "ride" and some fiber optic "plants." The end.

 

[Hakunamatata]

In my mind, add a little glow paint, and that's what we're getting in an "Avatar" land.

Probably why you are not an Imagineer....

 

[BringMeTheHoriz]

Probably why you are not an Imagineer....

Love it! Before Avatar was released, people who hated James Cameron dismissed it, and other people dismissed it because of its environmental message. Reading the dissenting opinions on this board leads me to believe that in one way or another, thats what's going on here.

And like someone mentioned before, when this place opens I think people will be changing their minds pretty quickly. I bet the Imagineers are having more fun now than they've ever had in the past decade with all the creative directions they can go with this.

 

[dreamscometrue]

Nope. Doesn't bother me at all, for all same reasons the others have already stated.

 

[disney fan 13]

Doesn't bother me one bit. Hello, it is the NUMBER ONE of all time. I personally didn't like it that much but obviously someone did. All I care about is that we are given a quality area to have fun in.

Hello, IMAX ( Which most people went to see it in) was 15 bucks per person. so with a family of four it would be 60 bucks instead of 30...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Hello, IMAX ( Which most people went to see it in) was 15 bucks per person. so with a family of four it would be 60 bucks instead of 30...

Come on.. you know better.... While the number may be a little inflated due to cost of 3d and IMAX, there have been several other popular movies released in IMAX and 3D and didn't do half the business Avatar did... The Dark Knight and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows are just two... And neither did $2 billion in business... Both movies came out AFTER Avatar which means higher prices and STILL didn't beat Avatar.... So, that shows me two things: Avatar pulled in more of a crowd and had more repeat viewings...

 

[BringMeTheHoriz]

Come on.. you know better.... While the number may be a little inflated due to cost of 3d and IMAX, there have been several other popular movies released in IMAX and 3D and didn't do half the business Avatar did... The Dark Knight and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows are just two... And neither did $2 billion in business... Both movies came out AFTER Avatar which means higher prices and STILL didn't beat Avatar.... So, that shows me two things: Avatar pulled in more of a crowd and had more repeat viewings...

Agreed. I never pay for IMAX movies. I saw Avatar in a normal theater, and I was back 2 days later to watch it in IMAX. Its still the only IMAX movie I've seen.

 

[Dragonrider1227]

I have my issues with Avatar in Disney but that's not one of them. I mean, Disney already has Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and The Muppets. No one complains that they aren't technically Disney either.
I just don't really like the movie or wish to visit it's world. But I don't care. I'll just ignore it and go back on the Yeti ride

 

[grunter]

Probably why you are not an Imagineer....

Given their recent track history, you *really* expect something more with Avatar-land?

Sounds like someone's been drinking too much of that magical Kool-Aid.

I can almost guarantee right now that this will be a cookie-cutter 3D movie "attraction" with a bit of fiber optic flower landscaping and absolutely nothing else. Something along the lines of "Soaring with the Smurfcats." The budget just won't be there for anything even remotely innovative or "next-gen." It'll be more of the same ol', same ol'.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

There is a chance this won't even get built, we have no idea what the future could bring.

How do you say that? Last big announcement Disney made was the FLE. It is on its way to being completed and is at least Disney movies.

I just don't understand why they ignore Pirates so much. I mean, keep Pirates of the Caribbean at MK (obviously) but the Studios needs a land like that and I can only imagine what Pirates land could do. It would be immersive. These movies are the most popular Disney films since Lion King. They will withstand the test of time for sure. The things they could do with this movie series.............and there are more films to come.

Walt did not create Snow White. Snow White is a Brothers Grimm fairytale. Same goes for Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and many more. Walt did not create these stories. Walt adapted them into Disney by remaking them.

So why is it a huge problem for so many people that Disney is now taking the core values that from Avatar that fit AK, conservation and respect for nature, and remaking them as Disney attractions?

Here's the thing though, Walt made those stories famous. You or I wouldn't even be aware of Snow White if it weren't for Walt. No one else made these into films until he did. Snow White was a blockbuster and a full length cartoon feature in 1937. Before that, did anyone know the story well? Disney actually came up with these movies, not anyone else. Everything has some sort of inspiration either way, but at least you can say that it will be a product of Disney.

No and this thread is just silly overall; nobody ever questioned stuff like Twilight Zone, Star Wars, and Rock N Roller Coaster. Oh wait, that's because it worked; let's not jump to silly conclusions Disney "fans."

They fit in perfectly to the Studios. In fact, Avatar might have fit in better there, but like I said before, Pirates should have been the first pick. The Western River Expedition could have fit into AK better. Tower of Terror fits perfectly into the Sunset Blvd. theme of DHS. Also, DHS is a simulation of a movie studio, things blend in well there.

I have seen Avatar. Yeah it was alright, a little overhyped. At the end of the day, Disney associated itself with a movie where a guy was basically a spy for the US Army and was all behind a complete invasion of the Navi until...............he got laid by one of the females. Then his mood suddenly changed. Remind me of the scene in Pocahontas where that happened. It is controversial, it has anti-American overtones and to top it all off it wasn't even created by an American which angered some people. Cameron is Canadian born and bred.

There were better choices. More wholesome stories out there that Disney themself created.

 

[Magenta Panther]

I think the concept is brilliant and I have little doubt that it will be immersive. However, is anyone else at least a bit bothered that it isn't a Disney creation? At least with this new Fantasyland expansion you know it is all about Disney movies. You can say that Walt created Snow White and you can say that for that reason alone things like Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast followed. But they are all Disney movies. Avatar isn't.

Would it have been just as good - if not better - to create an entire land devoted to Pirates of the Caribbean? Maybe not in Animal Kingdom, but in Hollywood Studios? I've often wondered why Disney doesn't use the popularity of these films more. This is actually a very popular movie and Disney created it. To me, that matters.

I mean, can you imagine "Pirates Land" and how immersive that will be? And you would at least know it is a Disney movie.

No doubt you'll get some comments along the lines of "Well, Walt and company didn't actually create Winnie the Pooh or Snow White, etc." and no doubt those comments will be used to try to justify the Avatar project, just as they are often used to justify the purchase of off-kilter acquisitions such as the Muppets and Marvel. I strongly disagree with such comments. Walt and company made the DISNEY version of Winnie and Snow etc., and so those versions rightfully and comfortably fit into the Disney dynamic. But Kermit, the Hulk and now the blue kitty-cats do NOT have their Disney versions, and never will, and so they will never truly fit in. Yeah, it bothers me a LOT that Avatar is being included in AK when actual Disney creations/versions such as the Lion King and Jungle Book would be much better candidates for an attraction, in my view. I have no interest in the Avatar ride at all and will continue to ignore AK until a ride of actual interest is built there - or at least until the Yeti is fixed.

My greatest fear regarding the Disney parks is that they will soon become a hodge-podge of ill-fitting outside-the-studio properties, instead of Disney parks that focus primarily on Disney creations. In other words, I'm afraid they may turn into Universal parks with mouse ears. And I fail to see how that could be a good thing.

 

[Rivers Rowe]

Avatar is a billion dollar franchise, Disney is lucky to have it.

 

[Timekeeper]

Well, that was what I was saying: we don't know if Avatar will be a one-hit wonder. The film was a technological achievement, but I really didn't enjoy it as anything but a very well-done experience rather than a film. I'm sure that Disney has huge hopes for this if they're constructing this project, so for now I'll trust them, but still maintain my feelings abou the entire franchise.

Isn't that exactly what we pay for when we buy a ticket for admission into a theme park? A very well done experience...? :shrug:

When we go to the movies, or a theme park, our admission does not buy us anything tangible that we can keep or bring home with us. We pay strictly for the experience. So, even if WDW creates only a "very well done experience" with Avatarland, then they've done their job. :sohappy:

 

[Walt Disney1955]

No doubt you'll get some comments along the lines of "Well, Walt and company didn't actually create Winnie the Pooh or Snow White, etc." and no doubt those comments will be used to try to justify the Avatar project, just as they are often used to justify the purchase of off-kilter acquisitions such as the Muppets and Marvel. I strongly disagree with such comments. Walt and company made the DISNEY version of Winnie and Snow etc., and so those versions rightfully and comfortably fit into the Disney dynamic. But Kermit, the Hulk and now the blue kitty-cats do NOT have their Disney versions, and never will, and so they will never truly fit in. Yeah, it bothers me a LOT that Avatar is being included in AK when actual Disney creations/versions such as the Lion King and Jungle Book would be much better candidates for an attraction, in my view. I have no interest in the Avatar ride at all and will continue to ignore AK until a ride of actual interest is built there - or at least until the Yeti is fixed.

My greatest fear regarding the Disney parks is that they will soon become a hodge-podge of ill-fitting outside-the-studio properties, instead of Disney parks that focus primarily on Disney creations. In other words, I'm afraid they may turn into Universal parks with mouse ears. And I fail to see how that could be a good thing.

Nice post, yeah how in the world the Jungle Book never got an attraction at AK is puzzling. And you are right, Winnie and Snow White were popularized by Disney. Even the animated Robin Hood certainly isn't something that came out of Walt's mind, but it was a Disney movie made by them. I am not sure if Dumbo was Walt's own or not, can't remember, but if it wasn't then there is another example of a story that came to life because of Disney.

Can't say that about Avatar and it bothers me a bit.