lebeau
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"Hook" *shudders*
I'm still angry about that movie. I hated it so much, I went back a couple of weeks later to make sure I gave it a fair viewing. Hated it more the second time.
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"Hook" *shudders*
I'm still angry about that movie. I hated it so much, I went back a couple of weeks later to make sure I gave it a fair viewing. Hated it more the second time.
lebeau
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If Pixie Hollow is cut, I imagine they'll replace it about as quickly as the Pleasure Island clubs.
They aren't cutting a slightly disappointing franchise like the fairies to replace it with unpopular non-franchises like Alice, Sword in the Stone, Robin Hood, Hercules, <insert your favorite Disney movie here>.
The Fairies may not be selling merchandise like the princesses, but it's still the second most popular franchise Disney's got. And sticking it right next to all that Princess stuff will make a lot of little girls (and some little boys) very happy.
_Scar
Active Member
I guess, but it's princesses in general. Not one speicific princess.
Plus, MK did lack girl attractions- whether we want to admit it or not. Just like people say- pirates represent boys, princesses represent girls... and we do lack princesses imo.
Alice, Robin Hood, and Hercules were all very successful.
lebeau
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Actually, no they weren't.
Of the three, only Robin Hood was considered a hit in it's day. And these days it is not well-regarded. Sure, it has a devoted fan base. But it's infinitely smaller than the armies of kids swarming to see Tinkerbell.
Alice and Hercules weren't bombs. But they were generally considered disappointments financially. And while they have their supporters, they never really caught on with critics or the public.
All three of these films are out of the public consciousness these days. Whatever fanbase they have (and they all have small, devoted followings) they don't compare to the fan base for Tinkerbell.
From wikipedia:
The changes that Disney made to the original story were criticized by British film and literary critics who accused Disney of "Americanizing" a great work of English literature. Disney was not surprised by the critical reception to Alice in Wonderland, and despite all the long years of thought and effort, the film met with a lukewarm response at the box office and was a sharp disappointment in its initial release[2]. Though not an outright disaster, the film was never re-released theatrically in Walt Disney's lifetime, airing instead every so often on network television (in fact, Disney's Alice in Wonderland aired as the 2nd episode of Walt Disney's Disneyland TV series on ABC in 1954), although in a severely edited version cut down to less than an hour. Walt surmised that the film failed because Alice lacked "heart" and was a difficult character for audiences to get behind and root for.[3] In The Disney Films, Leonard Maltin relates animator Ward Kimball felt the film failed because, "it suffered from too many cooks - directors. Here was a case of five directors each trying to top the other guy and make his sequence the biggest and craziest in the show. This had a self-canceling effect on the final product."[4]
Robin Hood was very successful upon its initial release, garnering around $9.5 million, the biggest box office total of all the Disney films at the time.[citation needed]
At the movie review site, Rotten Tomatoes, it has a 55% "rotten" rating among critics, saying that it was "One of the weaker Disney adaptations, Robin Hood is cute and colorful but lacks the majesty and excitement of the studio's earlier efforts."
After a one-theater release in June 15, 1997, Hercules had its wide release on June 27, 1997. With an opening weekend of $21,454,451, it opened at the second spot of the box office, after Face/Off.[9] The film grossed only $99 million on its domestic lifetime, something Disney's executives blamed on "more competition".[10] The international totals for Hercules raised its gross to $253 million.[2]
SirGoofy
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Hercules's Tomato Meter: 83%, average rating 7/10.
Pretty good if you ask me.
Alice's Tomato Meter: 81%, avergae rating 6.4/10
Not as good, but no doubt I wouldn't call them critical flops.
lebeau
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No, not flops. Generally, the reviews were positive. But I'd hardly say they were championed by the critics.
No one's saying they are bad movies. But the average tourist could give a hoot about them. Outside of these boards, very few people would get excited about a Hercules or Robin Hood-themed attraction. Whereas a Tinkerbell-themed attraction would be a draw for a lot of fans.
DisneyNut2007
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_Scar
Active Member
Rotten Tomatoes also lists Pinocchio as the number 1 animated film of all the Disney movies.... just sayin' they don't review on popularity if Pinnocchio is number 1.
lebeau
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I think you have to take Rotten Tomatoes rankings with a grain of salt for movies that are generally considered classics today. I mean, who's going to write a negative review of Pinochio or Snow White or Cinderella.
Also, critical response and popularity are not really related.
I don't have scientific studies to back me up on this, but I feel pretty confident in saying that Tinkerbell is far, far more popular with the average tourist than any of the properties people are clamoring for in this thread.
Getting back to my original point, if the budget for Pixie Hollow has been cut, it isn't so Disney can put something else in it's place. You shouldn't be rejoicing that there is now a chance for <fill in the blank> to be included in the FL expansion. It'll be Tink or nada.
IWant2GoNow
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Whoa... didn't mean to start Disney movie war. :lol: Tinkerbell is fine if they haven't scrapped Pixie Hollow. The concept art looked intriguing even if it is fairies. If it has been axed I was just expressing my hope for something else to fill the slot. But you're probably right, lebeau. If it was cut from the budget they did it to save money, not to put something else in its place because more than likely they feel Pixie Hollow should go there over any other movie. And if PH doesn't go there, nothing will. At least with this expansion... :lookaroun
tirian
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Agreed. Rain isn't too much of a concern: there's one in Paris.
EPCOT Explorer
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Anything to help the kinetics, I agree.
DisneyParksFan1
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I agree as well. It would be great.
And I'm sorry to ask, but what do you guys mean when you say "kinetics"?
unkadug
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a sense of movement, action, motion.
DisneyParksFan1
Active Member
Oh I see! I knew it had to do with kinetic energy but I thought it would be Disney slang. :hammer:
Thanks!
Anyway, yes it that would definitely help the kinetics of the land. Right now, I think the land that has probably the most kinetics would be Tomorrowland. Astro Orbitor, TTA, etc.
EPCOT Explorer
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What Doug said, but in Disney terms...Something (usually moving) that adds to the feel of the area and theme, but draws your eye to it. Like the TTA moving around TL.
IWant2GoNow
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Thoughts
So I watched The Princess and the Frog last night and thought it was completely awesome. I was skeptical going in because I figured it was "just another princess movie". But the characters that they chose were great and the music was right on par with other Disney classics, IMO. But as I was watching it, I couldn't help but think about how cool it would be to have a "bayou area" past Fantasy Forest. This was just me in my Imagineer Armchair. But think of the original concept art from D23 and replace PH with the bayou. Mama Odie's tree with the ship in it would be the major landmark and there could be a D ticket PatP dark ride under it. (Sounds a lot like ITTBAB, I know...) But you could board a boat and ride the movie out down the bayou accompanied by the great songs (much like any other dark ride). There were just so many scenes that I felt should be used in a ride. The shadows searching for Prince Naveen could be easily done against numerous bayou trees. Mama Odie's glass bottle room with the lights glaring off of them could be another room. But the outside theming could be just as good as PH in DL with the fireflies from PatP. Oh well... I just wanted to get my ideas out of my head and thought this was the closest thread to do it in. Thanks for listening.
So I watched The Princess and the Frog last night and thought it was completely awesome. I was skeptical going in because I figured it was "just another princess movie". But the characters that they chose were great and the music was right on par with other Disney classics, IMO. But as I was watching it, I couldn't help but think about how cool it would be to have a "bayou area" past Fantasy Forest. This was just me in my Imagineer Armchair. But think of the original concept art from D23 and replace PH with the bayou. Mama Odie's tree with the ship in it would be the major landmark and there could be a D ticket PatP dark ride under it. (Sounds a lot like ITTBAB, I know...) But you could board a boat and ride the movie out down the bayou accompanied by the great songs (much like any other dark ride). There were just so many scenes that I felt should be used in a ride. The shadows searching for Prince Naveen could be easily done against numerous bayou trees. Mama Odie's glass bottle room with the lights glaring off of them could be another room. But the outside theming could be just as good as PH in DL with the fireflies from PatP. Oh well... I just wanted to get my ideas out of my head and thought this was the closest thread to do it in. Thanks for listening.
EPCOT Explorer
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The thing is...how do you make this fit in a European setting?So I watched The Princess and the Frog last night and thought it was completely awesome. I was skeptical going in because I figured it was "just another princess movie". But the characters that they chose were great and the music was right on par with other Disney classics, IMO. But as I was watching it, I couldn't help but think about how cool it would be to have a "bayou area" past Fantasy Forest. This was just me in my Imagineer Armchair. But think of the original concept art from D23 and replace PH with the bayou. Mama Odie's tree with the ship in it would be the major landmark and there could be a D ticket PatP dark ride under it. (Sounds a lot like ITTBAB, I know...) But you could board a boat and ride the movie out down the bayou accompanied by the great songs (much like any other dark ride). There were just so many scenes that I felt should be used in a ride. The shadows searching for Prince Naveen could be easily done against numerous bayou trees. Mama Odie's glass bottle room with the lights glaring off of them could be another room. But the outside theming could be just as good as PH in DL with the fireflies from PatP. Oh well... I just wanted to get my ideas out of my head and thought this was the closest thread to do it in. Thanks for listening.
I'd love to see PatF in some concrete form, too. TSI?
IWant2GoNow
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The thing is...how do you make this fit in a European setting?
I'd love to see PatF in some concrete form, too. TSI?
Good point. I don't see where it needs to fit right along side of it. To the east of TLM just put very dense trees and as you gradually walk deeper into the forest throw some moss on the trees and viola, swampland. Haha. :lol:
IMHO it fits better than a circus. :shrug:
Yea TSI could work, but as far as a ride goes, I'm not sure how busy the rafts would get if there was a true D ticket dark ride on TSI. It would clog up that side of Frontierland even worse. I swear trying to manuever those stairs between SplMtn and BTMRR on a busy day is a hazard.