Disney's Streaming Services: Disney+ (and Hulu, ESPN+, Star, & hotstar)

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DCBaker

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Some details on the upcoming Hulu tile in Disney+ in a new WSJ article.

"A plan to integrate Hulu into Disney+ has hit roadbumps and in April was delayed amid companywide cost cuts and layoffs and a growing to-do list for the company’s technology development teams.

The tech team working on integrating the streaming service into Disney+ pushed the project deadline to the end of the year from September, the people said. Key features designed to attract new customers to its newly launched Hulu/Disney bundle have been delayed until March.

When the new Hulu tile launches, it will not include all the content currently on the platform—Disney is still negotiating some licensing agreements for shows and movies. It also won’t immediately offer some functionalities, such as personalization of Hulu programming based on a subscriber’s past Disney+ viewing, as initially planned.

Disney has projected that these features, as well as one that would prompt viewers to sign up for a new Hulu/Disney+ bundle could draw as many as 150,000 subscribers to a new Hulu/Disney bundle over the next year and potentially generate millions of dollars in revenue, according to a person familiar with the matter."

Full article quoted below with a link to follow.

Nelson Peltz said his proxy fight against Disney DIS 2.12%increase; green up pointing triangle was over in February, but Bob Iger knew the activist investor might return.

The Disney CEO remained in direct contact with Peltz this year, seeking to reassure him that Disney’s $5.5 billion in budget cuts and elimination of 7,000 jobs were progressing quickly, according to people familiar with the matter.

Iger spoke to Peltz, co-founder of Trian Fund Management, on the phone in May after Disney’s second-quarter earnings report, in which the company reported that it reduced losses in its streaming business, and tried to reassure him that the cost-saving plan was working, these people said.

As the share price declined over the summer, however, the Trian team lost confidence in Disney’s ability to right the ship, even as the company’s board in July extended Iger’s contract through 2026, according to people familiar with the matter.

When Wall Street analysts began reducing their target price for Disney shares, it caught Peltz’s attention and contributed to his sense that Disney wasn’t on a path to financial health, according to people familiar with the matter. The company’s stock closed at $78.32 last Wednesday, its lowest level in more than nine years.

The activist is seeking several board seats, including one for Peltz, and wants the board to be more focused, accountable and aligned with shareholder interests, The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday.

Disney shares, which have traded under $100 for most of the year, rose 2.1% to $84.70 Monday, more than the S&P 500. Peltz’s Trian Fund Management has boosted its stake in Disney to around 30 million shares, making the hedge fund one of Disney’s largest shareholders.

Iger has made progress with some of his stated goals to reduce costs and make streaming profitable, but struggled with others. Since announcing in July that the company is seeking a strategic partner for ESPN, the sports unit has held discussions with a range of organizations, including professional sports leagues and telecom providers.

Elsewhere, an effort to fold Hulu into Disney+ has been slowed by delays, according to people familiar with the matter.

Some features designed to attract customers to a planned new Disney+ and Hulu bundle won’t be available when the Hulu tile within Disney+ debuts later this year.

Overseas, Disney has begun to have discussions about selling all or a stake of its Disney India business, as The Wall Street Journal first reported.

Here is an update on some of the initiatives Iger has so far set in motion.

ESPN’s future

ESPN has said it is preparing to transform the network into a fully direct-to-consumer streaming service in coming years. Meanwhile, Iger has taken steps to bolster ESPN’s finances and attract new viewers, especially younger males.
The company has explored pacts with the National Football League and National Basketball Association in which the leagues would supply programming and assets in exchange for small equity stakes in ESPN, according to people familiar with the situation.

In the case of the NFL, the league could contribute assets such as the NFL+ subscription service, which has mobile rights to many games, while the NBA could contribute the NBA League Pass package, a subscription service that lets fans watch games outside their home markets.

Such partnerships could help ESPN add even more programming to its new app, broadening its appeal. ESPN also has talked to Major League Baseball about a deal that would give it the right to stream local telecasts in some markets.
Those talks are very early, the people cautioned, and might not go anywhere. Under any such arrangement, Disney, which owns 80% of ESPN, would maintain majority control, and Hearst, which owns 20%, would maintain its stake.

ESPN is also exploring adding a distribution partner to help market the new service, and has had talks with Verizon and T-Mobile.

Hulu hurdles

Iger said in February that Disney might not be interested in buying the remaining third of the Hulu streaming video service it owns with Comcast, but months later reversed course and said it would pull the service closer to its core Disney+ streaming service.

A plan to integrate Hulu into Disney+ has hit roadbumps and in April was delayed amid companywide cost cuts and layoffs and a growing to-do list for the company’s technology development teams.

The tech team working on integrating the streaming service into Disney+ pushed the project deadline to the end of the year from September, the people said. Key features designed to attract new customers to its newly launched Hulu/Disney bundle have been delayed until March.

When the new Hulu tile launches, it will not include all the content currently on the platform—Disney is still negotiating some licensing agreements for shows and movies. It also won’t immediately offer some functionalities, such as personalization of Hulu programming based on a subscriber’s past Disney+ viewing, as initially planned.

Disney has projected that these features, as well as one that would prompt viewers to sign up for a new Hulu/Disney+ bundle could draw as many as 150,000 subscribers to a new Hulu/Disney bundle over the next year and potentially generate millions of dollars in revenue, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Streaming profitability

Disney, like its competitors, is struggling to balance the need to cut costs while growing its streaming services and realizing these two goals can run counter to each other. For Iger, who returned as CEO of Disney last November, being able to make the company’s goal of streaming profitability by September 2024 is seen as crucial.

In August, the company unveiled a round of price increases to its streaming products, raising the cost of the ad-free versions of Disney+ and Hulu by more than 20% each in October, the second round of price hikes in about a year. The latest increase, which takes effect this month, was moved up from December, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Among priorities for the streaming team—whose projects have code-names after Disney characters, such as Yoda for “Yield Optimization Delivery Allocation” or Dory for “Disney Optimization and Revenue Yield”—are rolling out ads internationally and implementing ways to crack down on password sharing.

 

DCBaker

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Eugene Ashe has reportedly been selected to write the script for The Rocketeer reboot at Disney+.

"“Sylvie’s Love” filmmaker Eugene Ashe has been tapped to write “The Rocketeer” reboot at Disney+, The Wrap has exclusively learned.

David Oyelowo is attached to star and produce the project. The project is part of his and his wife’s two-year first-look deal with Disney."

Full article from TheWrap below.

 

Tha Realest

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Eugene Ashe has reportedly been selected to write the script for The Rocketeer reboot at Disney+.

"“Sylvie’s Love” filmmaker Eugene Ashe has been tapped to write “The Rocketeer” reboot at Disney+, The Wrap has exclusively learned.

David Oyelowo is attached to star and produce the project. The project is part of his and his wife’s two-year first-look deal with Disney."

Full article from TheWrap below.

I don’t know much of Ashe’s work, but Oyelowo is a fantastic actor with amazing screen presence and I have the utmost love and adoration for The Rocketeer. High hopes for this one. I hope it’s set in mid-20th Century (either during or post-WW2) as that could have add a really fascinating subtext to explore.
 

DCBaker

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Movement on the valuation process of Hulu.

"Comcast and Disney have hired investment banks to value Hulu, the next step in what’s been a nearly five-year process to put the streaming service under one owner.

Comcast, which owns one-third of Hulu, has hired Morgan Stanley, and Disney, which owns the other two-thirds, has hired JPMorgan Chase. Each bank is tasked with providing a fair value for Hulu — a condition of an agreement set up in 2019 that allows either Disney or Comcast to trigger an option forcing Disney to buy Comcast’s 33% stake.

Spokespeople for Comcast, Disney, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan declined to comment."

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"Initially, the companies set an option strike date of January 2024. Last month, the two companies agreed to move up the deadline at which Hulu will be valued from January 2024 to Sept. 30. That deadline represents the final date at which Hulu’s valuation will be assessed by both Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase.

On Nov. 1, Comcast can force Disney to acquire its 33% stake in Hulu and/or Disney can trigger its option to acquire the stake from Comcast. That’s expected to happen, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts said at the Goldman Sachs’ Communacopia conference last month.

“We are excited to get this resolved,” Roberts said at the conference. “The company is way more valuable today than it was [in 2019]. And we are looking forward to seeing how that process [plays out].”

Once the option is triggered, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan will begin their assessments of Hulu’s value. If the two banks’ final valuations are within 10% of each other, the average of the two banks’ determinations will be the price at which Hulu is valued. Disney would then pay Comcast 33% of that value for its stake. The 2019 deal set a floor valuation for Hulu at $27.5 billion.

If the two banks’ assessments aren’t within a 10% range of each other, then Disney and Comcast would agree to hire a third investment bank to make another valuation conclusion. To set the sale price, that third valuation would then be averaged with the previous assessment that’s closest to it.

The valuation calculation process isn’t straightforward. Hulu has 48.3 million subscribers. A pure-play streaming service at its scale has never been sold before. Roberts argued during the Goldman conference that a fair appraisal would also have to include synergy value. Disney’s ownership of Hulu helps prop up Disney+ and ESPN+ subscribers because Disney bundles all three streaming services together.

There is no timetable for how long the valuation process will take or when a deal will get done, but Roberts acknowledged Disney and Comcast both want a resolution sooner rather than later, which is why they agreed to move the option strike date forward several months."

Full article below.

 

Indy_UK

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For the valuation process, for the remainder of Hulu, or both?

Remainder of Hulu. Hopefully with the way it’s been set up it’s a clean deal and over with quickly plus Disney feels there’s value worth it for them

I think they’ll overpay too in order to maybe negotiate to get the Marvel theme park rights back for east coast and recoup once the start selling off assets
 

Disney Irish

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Remainder of Hulu. Hopefully with the way it’s been set up it’s a clean deal and over with quickly plus Disney feels there’s value worth it for them

I think they’ll overpay too in order to maybe negotiate to get the Marvel theme park rights back for east coast and recoup once the start selling off assets
Its a clean deal, Disney will write a check for whatever 33% of the valuation figured by the valuation process. I would be surprised if its more than $11-13B Disney ends up paying when said and done.

I would be surprised if the Marvel Park rights are even brought up. Plus if Disney was going to do something about that they would have a long time ago. I think Disney is fairly happy at this point with things. Uni can't expand its usage, and getting a check from Comcast for licensing is a bonus. I think it'll only ever be brought up if Comcast decides it wants to redo IOA in the future.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Movement on the valuation process of Hulu.

"Comcast and Disney have hired investment banks to value Hulu, the next step in what’s been a nearly five-year process to put the streaming service under one owner.

Comcast, which owns one-third of Hulu, has hired Morgan Stanley, and Disney, which owns the other two-thirds, has hired JPMorgan Chase. Each bank is tasked with providing a fair value for Hulu — a condition of an agreement set up in 2019 that allows either Disney or Comcast to trigger an option forcing Disney to buy Comcast’s 33% stake.

Spokespeople for Comcast, Disney, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan declined to comment."

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"Initially, the companies set an option strike date of January 2024. Last month, the two companies agreed to move up the deadline at which Hulu will be valued from January 2024 to Sept. 30. That deadline represents the final date at which Hulu’s valuation will be assessed by both Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase.

On Nov. 1, Comcast can force Disney to acquire its 33% stake in Hulu and/or Disney can trigger its option to acquire the stake from Comcast. That’s expected to happen, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts said at the Goldman Sachs’ Communacopia conference last month.

“We are excited to get this resolved,” Roberts said at the conference. “The company is way more valuable today than it was [in 2019]. And we are looking forward to seeing how that process [plays out].”

Once the option is triggered, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan will begin their assessments of Hulu’s value. If the two banks’ final valuations are within 10% of each other, the average of the two banks’ determinations will be the price at which Hulu is valued. Disney would then pay Comcast 33% of that value for its stake. The 2019 deal set a floor valuation for Hulu at $27.5 billion.

If the two banks’ assessments aren’t within a 10% range of each other, then Disney and Comcast would agree to hire a third investment bank to make another valuation conclusion. To set the sale price, that third valuation would then be averaged with the previous assessment that’s closest to it.

The valuation calculation process isn’t straightforward. Hulu has 48.3 million subscribers. A pure-play streaming service at its scale has never been sold before. Roberts argued during the Goldman conference that a fair appraisal would also have to include synergy value. Disney’s ownership of Hulu helps prop up Disney+ and ESPN+ subscribers because Disney bundles all three streaming services together.

There is no timetable for how long the valuation process will take or when a deal will get done, but Roberts acknowledged Disney and Comcast both want a resolution sooner rather than later, which is why they agreed to move the option strike date forward several months."

Full article below.

THERE IS NO SYNERGY VALUE WITHOUT DISNEY-OWNED CONTENT. It's an empty platform. (I know, he's just trying to up the price but it's a garbage argument.) :banghead:
 

CJR

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Just sharing some personal experience. We finally started our "with ads" era.

It's not bad at all. I've had Hulu with ads for some time and that's gotten pretty bad, but Disney+, not at all. I do wish they wouldn't interrupt programming, but ads are usually 15-30 seconds and then you're on your way. Most of the ads have been for Loki too, which humored me. We watched a couple Loki ads while watching Loki. My daughter's kids programming has no ads at all so far.

Someone told me this and I think it's true, the ad service is nothing compared to what it will be in five years. If you're OK with very limited advertisements and would like to save some money, now is probably the time. Save your money and apply the difference in a few years to the ad-free tier, when the amount of ads quadruples. With my AMEX credit, I'm only paying $3 for Disney+ and Hulu. I just couldn't say no to that.
 

_caleb

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I pay for the D+ bundle with ad-free Hulu w/Live TV and it is full of ads.

The Hulu user interface on AppleTV is terrible. Want to change the channel while watching live TV? LOL no, we've hidden the Live TV Guide to make it as slow and confusing as possible!
 

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